New Lucy Letby details

[Mrsdoyler]

Did you see today in the news that LucyLetby originally failed her nursing training.

Reason: Lack of empathy

Are you a statistician?
Predicting that a very sick baby is likely to die is pretty weak evidence for murder.

@Firefly1987 Shipman forged a will didn’t he, left himself £386k. Allit admitted it.

It wasn't one baby.

And they weren't very sick or expected to die.

Yet nurse death predicted their collapses and deaths.

Often on mile-stones that were being celebrated by their families.

Oh and are you a statistician yourself?

Why on earth am I engaging with these people, drawn into this insanity again.
Good luck, other posters.

I refer you again to the statement of the obstetrician.
The prosecution argument that all these deaths and collapses were unexpected and suspicious just isn’t supported by the evidence.
I’m with the statisticians on this case. No. I’m not one myself.

There are also an awful lot more variables in a hospital. We know there were issues with sewage, understaffing, increase of deaths on the maternity ward etc.

In the case if HS there couldn't be other factors because there were no commonalities between them.

The prosecution medical witness has changed his theory on one charge, I'm fairly sure his evidence will be shredded in others, the insulin tests do not stand up alone, manipulation of statistics incorrect door swipe data.....it's truly terrifying convictions with 15 whole life orders can stand on these grounds

Oh the irony. Come to think of it Shipman did have his supporters at first, even family of those that had died stood up for him. I suppose it takes some longer than others to see what's right in front of them. It'll probably take a few more years and the end of the police investigation into all her other crimes before all but the most ardent supporters have to concede LL is guilty.

Doubts over the safety of Letby’s convictions have only increased since the verdicts. That certainly wasn’t the case with Shipman. The doubts are based on evidence from credible sources and include revelations about the police investigation, the prosecution expert witnesses and the hospital.
Even the prosecution’s chief expert witness no longer believes his own evidence in at least three of the murder cases, but you do apparently. That doesn’t seem very rational to me.

To be honest, I haven’t really caught up with the case so I don’t know the ins and outs. I think generally speaking she likely is implicated in some way, but also her employer likely had failings too and jumped on her as a scapegoat. Maybe her actual actions were less severe than what she was accused of. Ultimately if her trust was robust, this wouldn’t have been able to occur on such a scale. I’d imagine her management distanced themselves from her and in turn their failings, so there are definitely people who benefit from her conviction if it is incorrect.

I don’t think under the circumstances that the truth will ever come out, because no outright evidence exists. There’s no footage of the crime occurring for example. So anything else will remain as speculation.

because I've pretty much seen all of those events and things happen through pure incompetence and negligence

Did they happen on man-made anniversaries and with prediction by one member of staff too?

What is a man-made anniversary?

That should have said man-made milestones and anniversaries, sorry.

I refer you to my post at 8.30.

It certainly would be nice if LL supporters would stop using phrases like "you can't be simple minded enough to ..." (Wherein the inference is the opposite).

That's the thing about incompetent people, their incompetence doesn't take the day off just because someone has hit a milestone.

@HollyKnight so are you saying she was incompetent rather than a murder

She even wrote a note saying she did it

Ah but when "incompetence" occurs on so many milestones dates & occasions, combined with one of the "incompetent" people being the only one who's predicting collapses and deaths .(unexpected collapses and deaths) ........

How many and which babies died on milestone dates? And what were the milestones?

Genuinely asking as I don’t know.

That says it all about most of the posters questioning the convictions on this forum.

And no-one should have to.spoon feed you.

But it didn't happen only on milestone dates. She was plenty incompetent at other times too. Right from her training days.

I dont know if she intentionally killed anyone or not. I'm saying all the events and things that occurred I have personally seen happen due to incompetence and neglect. And as more and more information comes out, it just proves what an incompetent nurse she was.

her ward manager said Letby was the crème dela crème of nurses though - clever etc

she had done her placement there so the ward manager based her beliefs on that