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Is my child in danger at school?

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Softheart15 · 13/10/2024 22:42

Hi, a boy in my daughter’s year punched her friend in the throat and kicked another in her stomach, he recently struck again on another child but this time much worse, kid ended up
in hospital again unprovoked! Turns out he’s got anger issues and does MMA so lashes out randomly and whoever is there gets it! School are brushing his behaviour under the carpet but I’m worried and have raised this with the head only to be dismissed as have other parents.He was suspended for two day so we’re all waiting for him to strike again but he gets worse with each attack. I spoke to
some of the parents and turns out he’s been doing it inside/outside of school for years! His parents are total Aholes and don’t care and his mum even told another mother to talk to her and not the school but I don’t want it to be my child next. Am I making a big deal for nothing?

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FranceIsWhereItsAt · 16/10/2024 10:55

EstHall · 16/10/2024 09:32

You are in av difficult situation and it's oe that we have recently come through. Again, a private school that refused to properly deal with one boy punching my child ( his nose was broken) and the repeatedly attacks by him and his two bullying friends. My son (then 8) had no chance when repeatedly surrounded by 3 of them. The school played it down,made excuses. When my son talked about suicide, I reported the attacks to the police and rang the office to ask for the safeguarding governor's contact details, to make a formal complaint. The bursar then rang the head to let her know I had called and was making a complaint. The head told me: "If you think you are going to complain about me, you need to start looking for another school."

To fast forward, the bullying continued by one boy (the main bully left) and my son was diagnosed with PTSD. I was too scared to follow through with complaint to the governor. The head began questioning the credentials of the trauma therapist, who Kidscape employed to help us, and who wrote the report citing PTSD and that my son was still being bullied on school and was not safe.

The level of stress was horrific. Funnily enough, the one boy who continued to bully my son, slowly gave up as his parents decided to pull him out at the end of that term. They had not accepted the school's sanctions and did not accept he had bullied my son. The mum spent all of her time making counter allegations against my son. Everyone of which was rejected.

My son started to become extremely distressed again in the mornings, begging not to go into school. The headmistress was calling him into her office everyday and telling him to leave. "You're making me and everyone stressed, why don't you just leave?."
She questioned him about what school he might go to, where we had looked around and told him if he didn't tell her, she would call him back the next morning and the next, until he told her.

She was meant to be overseeing a safety plan for my son, agreed with teh trauma therapist, but she made him write out what she told him to - that he was not being bullied. My son said his hands were shaking, and his heart racing and "my eyebrows stayed up" and that he kept making mistakes and she made him start again. He was clearly having panic attacks.

Then she started over punishing him. She was extraordinarily hostile and nasty to my little boy who could not get away from him. She was awful to me. She made it clear that she was angry because we had threatened to make a complaint. The other two sets of parents had put in complaints about her because they did not accept their sons had bullied mine.

In short, she made my sons life hell. She forced him out because I had tried to contact the governors and because she was panicking about the PTSD report.

I pulled my son out. I told the governors. They told me it hadn't happened ( the head bullying my son) but obviously admitted my son had been bullied by the 3 boys. The head re-wrote the 18 months of pupil bullying to "3 main incidents".

This was at a private school outside of York, towards Hull. The governors were only concerned about the school's reputation. The head lied to them about what she did.

It has taken over a year for my son to recover and he is still scared and distrustful of staff.

Very best of luck to you. It is very unfair, but in the private system, they are more concerned about fees and people leaving ( in our case the 3 bullies all had siblings at the school and that is why they were never properly punished for repeatedly attacking my son).

Good grief! This is horrendous! How on earth can people in prominent positions of trust, get away with this sort of behaviour? I'm SO glad you decided to pull your son out of the school, but sad that you didn't do it sooner. I hope that he eventually recovers and goes on to live a happy and productive life. In fact, I'd love to think that he goes on to become famous for something, and then speaks out about the appalling way in which he was treated, by a person who's job it is to take care of and protect the children in their care.

RampantIvy · 16/10/2024 13:09

And yet there are a large number of mumsnetters who wouldn't countenence sending their DC to state school because of the bullying, and who refuse to acknowledge that bullying doesn't only happen in state schools.

Softheart15 · 16/10/2024 13:26

@Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse had either of my children hurt another child accidentally they have been taught to apologise and be held accountable for their actions.Had they done it intentionally, I would be making sure that they are punished in school and even worse at home then forced to apologise so that it never happens again.

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oopsupsideyourheadisayoopsupsideypurhead · 16/10/2024 13:29

Can you contact local press? Or write to chair of governors and ask what reassurance they can give the keep your child safe?

lovenotwar149 · 16/10/2024 13:39

I would be banging on the heads door!! This NEEDS addressing. I am a supply teacher, a while back I used to do supply in a nearby school - Y1 class. There was a 6 yr old, who had anger issues, OMG he caused mayhem whenever he felt like it. The TA spoke to me during break after 1 of his episodes, in tears. She had bruises from his kicks. On one of my visits he let loose because I asked him to tidy up. He said he wouldn't and wanted to keep playing. He threw a fit and kicked out etc In this outburst he punched a kid in her neck. It was outrageous. The teacher & TA from the parallel year 1 class got involved. 6 staff attended to him and me, the goddamn supply, was left with 30 kids from the class I was teaching plus PLUS the 30kids from the parallel yr 1 class, they brought them in to me while all 6 staff attended to the boy raging! Then they told me this happens every wk, s'times daily. I didn't return.

Softheart15 · 16/10/2024 13:42

@EstHall omg! I’m so sorry what your little one went through, absolutely devastated for you and your family.
So, this and exactly this is why a number of parents have backed down when I tried to arrange a group of us going in together. One of the parents of the child attacked said the head alluded to them finding another school if her child still unsafe in their care but no further action will be taken!
To sum it up, no one is willing to take on the ‘old boys club’! So looks like the bully wins, the disgusting parents spend their way out of trouble and we start looking for another school!
thank you everyone for your comments and suggestions.

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Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 16/10/2024 13:49

Softheart15 · 16/10/2024 13:26

@Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse had either of my children hurt another child accidentally they have been taught to apologise and be held accountable for their actions.Had they done it intentionally, I would be making sure that they are punished in school and even worse at home then forced to apologise so that it never happens again.

It doesnt matter if your DC has done anything or not, ganging up on a child and starting a campaign to bully them out of the school and calling them names isnt normal behaviour. You are treading a thin line.

Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 16/10/2024 13:57

Like you've said 'other parents are falling for it'. Word will soon get around that you are the parent going around calling this child a thug, reporting them here and there and trying to recruit other parents. People will think youre nuts. The school clearly do not prioritise child safety, and if this boy left they wouldn't suddenly change their stance when the next violent DC comes along. What you do is you stop paying money to put your child in this situation.

Softheart15 · 16/10/2024 14:08

@Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse thats right, let’s stay quiet just like we all have for the past 5 years and pretend it’s not our problem!

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Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 16/10/2024 14:15

No one has suggested that. You know the schools stance, it will not change in a fee paying school. You choose to continue sending your child. The solution to stop sending them. What's your alternative? How much further will you go with this? You can approach the school, ask them how they are keeping your DC safe. But you cannot start a harassment campaign against a 10 year old boy.

RampantIvy · 16/10/2024 14:21

Contact your MP?
Shame them on social media. Create a fake account if you have to.
Contact the press.

Bullying that is not dealt with makes me see red.

Treeinthesky · 16/10/2024 15:24

@Dramatic I did punish her no iPad or treats I paid 350 quid out she wrote a letter etc. But tell me if your adhd child hurts someone in school how you are responsible. Your at work u punish them you do everything you work with right services but what can you do when they are school? If your child hurt someone how is that YOUR fault. It isn't

KillerTomato7 · 16/10/2024 18:38

Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 16/10/2024 14:15

No one has suggested that. You know the schools stance, it will not change in a fee paying school. You choose to continue sending your child. The solution to stop sending them. What's your alternative? How much further will you go with this? You can approach the school, ask them how they are keeping your DC safe. But you cannot start a harassment campaign against a 10 year old boy.

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Your definition of harassment seems very strange, and I wonder if you are basing it on any actual legal knowledge.

And the thing about fees paying schools is that they generally want people to keep paying fees. If a large group of parents threaten to stop doing that unless the school starts caring about the safety of the children, a change will likely be made.

Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 16/10/2024 20:15

If the parents report to the police that OP has been starting rumours about child, name calling, malicious reports to SS, police , trying to gain private information about the DC from school that could well be regarded as harassment.

KillerTomato7 · 16/10/2024 22:22

Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 16/10/2024 20:15

If the parents report to the police that OP has been starting rumours about child, name calling, malicious reports to SS, police , trying to gain private information about the DC from school that could well be regarded as harassment.

They would be fairly credible rumors, seeing as they are backed by visible injuries and hospitalizations, besides which they were not started by OP, but reflect the child’s general reputation at the school. And the calls to police and SS would not be regarded as malicious given that they are made in response to the child’s known conduct and reflect concerns about the child’s wellbeing. If they were, you wouldn’t see many calls made to SS or police out of fear of lawsuits.

And as far as name-calling, that generally comes with the territory when you go around breaking people’s faces. And it usually isn’t the name-calling that lands them in court.

Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 16/10/2024 22:37

backed by visible injuries and hospitalizations only if the school confirm this child caused these injuries, which they may not. People on Mumsnet will often encourage OPs to do things they wouldn't really do. But OP is taking this too far. Approach the school regarding her DCs safety yes. Go above the school regarding her own DCs safety, absolutely. But contacting police about a situation she was not involved in, demanding a child be removed from the school based on second hand information and contacting social services is going way beyond what is normal. She needs to leave the child alone.

DoreenonTill8 · 16/10/2024 22:43

@Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse what's with the Hectoring of the OP and people showing her support? Threatening that she'll then be the one in legal trouble due to harassment while glossing over all the violence?..
.🤨

Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 16/10/2024 22:45

I feel for the OP, I really do. But she is going about it the wrong way. She is not in battle with a 10 year old and she needs to stop viewing it that way.

KillerTomato7 · 17/10/2024 06:06

Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 16/10/2024 22:37

backed by visible injuries and hospitalizations only if the school confirm this child caused these injuries, which they may not. People on Mumsnet will often encourage OPs to do things they wouldn't really do. But OP is taking this too far. Approach the school regarding her DCs safety yes. Go above the school regarding her own DCs safety, absolutely. But contacting police about a situation she was not involved in, demanding a child be removed from the school based on second hand information and contacting social services is going way beyond what is normal. She needs to leave the child alone.

The school doesn’t have to confirm the injuries. They are not a court of law or a police agency, and they may not be the most credible source given how they’ve handled things up to now. There are also the victims and their parents, who presumably are not in some kind of conspiracy against this child to the point of fabricating the causes of visible injuries

Softheart15 · 17/10/2024 06:50

@Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse this is not an ordinary child, he’s a thug has become more dangerous over the past 6 years as he always got away with it because ‘he is a child. Sadly there are children who do hurt and worse kill…the truth would come out of his parents tried to take it to court but they don’t want that. The school wouldn’t count as a creditable witness, the medics, the many children who witnessed the attacks and the parents. The bigger and stronger he gets the more likely damage he causes and it’s not just his own benefit that he is stopped!

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Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 17/10/2024 06:59

There are children in every school with serious behaviour problems. Your school have made it very clear that they are not that interested in making DC safe. Your DC are about to hit the teen years where they are raging with hormones. The school will not magically become a safe place if this child disappears. How much further will you go to 'stop' this child?

Silvertulips · 17/10/2024 07:18

there's a violent 10 year old at my daughter's school, no he hasn't attacked my daughter but someone else got hurt, go and DO something" my eyes would be rolling so far back in my head that I may never see forwards again

And yet if I reported witnessing a crime in the street the police would investigate - they wouldn’t ask if we were related - children have less rights than adults.

Softheart15 · 17/10/2024 07:56

@Silvertulips yes exactly! All the attacks are unprovoked so it’s pot luck who he chooses next! His name is known through the school for over 6 years and these are not minor incidences. It’s essential that I do everything I can to protect my children and those around.

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Softheart15 · 17/10/2024 07:59

@RampantIvy this is worse than bullying, violent outburst and randomly attacking children. Children don’t get a name over 6 years for a couple of incidents, that’s just kids for you!

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DoreenonTill8 · 17/10/2024 09:01

Silvertulips · 17/10/2024 07:18

there's a violent 10 year old at my daughter's school, no he hasn't attacked my daughter but someone else got hurt, go and DO something" my eyes would be rolling so far back in my head that I may never see forwards again

And yet if I reported witnessing a crime in the street the police would investigate - they wouldn’t ask if we were related - children have less rights than adults.

Absolutely, can only hope the posters with the rolling eyes, has no actual police role in life given that they would give no credence to a report of a crime if the reporter wasn't the victim.
'Hi I'd like to report that I've seen someone smashing a window of our local shop and breaking in'
"Oooo well we can only come down if it's YOUR shop, not a crime otherwise"..