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Abusive cleaner took pics of my home

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ChicExpert · 12/10/2024 18:32

My lovely self employed cleaner went back to her own country. New cleaner started this week. House is tidy but dirty floor and surfaces, needs a good vacuum/mop/wiping up. We hire 4 hours a week for a deep clean of the downstairs(kitchen dining living room)/hallway and stairs. Standard 3 bed house in London with kitchen extension, takes me 2 hours to do but pay for 4 so the job gets done properly.

New cleaner came and in 4 hours couldn't clean what we asked which is just vacuum/mop and wipe down all surfaces. Had to ask her to clean individual window seals as she didn't and when she left I noticed the living room window seal wasnt cleaned. She broke my glass chopping board and didn't say anything and left chemicals in the oven which I told her not to clean. Last cleaner was able to wipe the skirting boards and didn't leave a spec of dirt in corners, this cleaner left many areas dirty.

I said nothing and thought I won't hire again. The company messaged me why I don't want to hire again and I said I wasn't happy with the clean nothing else.

I then get very abusive messages and pictures of my floor being dirty saying my house is disgusting. Didn't get to respond before I was blocked by the company.

AIBU? I feel completely violated and want to complain some how. She took photos of my home without permission.

Don't even know what to do now and feel uncomfortable using another cleaner. Husband says I'm over reacting :( am I?

FYI I've added a photo of my home before the cleaner came. Floors are clearly dirty but the kitchen is tidy/needs wipe down.

Abusive cleaner took pics of my home
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Imjustlikeyou · 12/10/2024 21:24

The kitchen floor, whilst it looks bad would have taken no more than 20-30mins to sweep, hoover and mop.

PrettyYellow30 · 12/10/2024 21:28

ChicExpert · 12/10/2024 18:32

My lovely self employed cleaner went back to her own country. New cleaner started this week. House is tidy but dirty floor and surfaces, needs a good vacuum/mop/wiping up. We hire 4 hours a week for a deep clean of the downstairs(kitchen dining living room)/hallway and stairs. Standard 3 bed house in London with kitchen extension, takes me 2 hours to do but pay for 4 so the job gets done properly.

New cleaner came and in 4 hours couldn't clean what we asked which is just vacuum/mop and wipe down all surfaces. Had to ask her to clean individual window seals as she didn't and when she left I noticed the living room window seal wasnt cleaned. She broke my glass chopping board and didn't say anything and left chemicals in the oven which I told her not to clean. Last cleaner was able to wipe the skirting boards and didn't leave a spec of dirt in corners, this cleaner left many areas dirty.

I said nothing and thought I won't hire again. The company messaged me why I don't want to hire again and I said I wasn't happy with the clean nothing else.

I then get very abusive messages and pictures of my floor being dirty saying my house is disgusting. Didn't get to respond before I was blocked by the company.

AIBU? I feel completely violated and want to complain some how. She took photos of my home without permission.

Don't even know what to do now and feel uncomfortable using another cleaner. Husband says I'm over reacting :( am I?

FYI I've added a photo of my home before the cleaner came. Floors are clearly dirty but the kitchen is tidy/needs wipe down.

😆 hysterical at these comments!

Eenameenadeeka · 12/10/2024 21:30

I think they probably do take photos to cover themselves in a way- like if someone says that a job wasn't done, they have before and after photos as proof of what they've done. I think the message was very unprofessional though.

penelopelady · 12/10/2024 21:30

Wow lot of people who clearly clean before the cleaner. Just love on the cleaner is deluded you payed for double time and my floor looks like that at the end of the day with a household full, and pets.

blueshoes · 12/10/2024 21:32

Imjustlikeyou · 12/10/2024 21:24

The kitchen floor, whilst it looks bad would have taken no more than 20-30mins to sweep, hoover and mop.

Probably less time than that. My very professional and talented cleaner would be able to tackle that and all kitchen surfaces in 20 mins max.

The thing is, it will take only marginally longer for a cleaner to sweep/hoover than with a floor that did not have crumbs etc. So I am not sure why the OP is getting a hard time from some 'weirdos', as one PP who is a cleaner put it.

Josette77 · 12/10/2024 21:32

You have 5 adults, one child, and a baby on the way living in a 3 bedroom house?!?

Do you have to live together? The men sound bloody awful! I wouldn't want my kids seeing that kind of example where the women cook and clean and the men do nothing.

LadyGaGasPokerFace · 12/10/2024 21:33

Self confessed slob here 🙋🏽‍♀️ even my floors don’t look like that. Cripes, that’s proper disrespect on the floor there.

Littleonesick · 12/10/2024 21:34

Velvetbee · 12/10/2024 19:17

I’m a cleaner, I wouldn’t blink twice at that floor, I’ve seen much worse (and cleaned it without comment in less than 4 hours). She was a shit cleaner and took photos to defend against criticism when she knew she wasn’t doing a very good job.

It's good to get a perspective from another cleaner. Regardless of the state of the floor, the cleaner was very unprofessional and I would not be calling them again.

Frankensteinslittlefriend · 12/10/2024 21:35

Littleonesick · 12/10/2024 21:34

It's good to get a perspective from another cleaner. Regardless of the state of the floor, the cleaner was very unprofessional and I would not be calling them again.

shes blocked…

AngelicKaty · 12/10/2024 21:35

ChicExpert · 12/10/2024 20:12

Not even that, I'm already cleaning their plates and cups and still manage to cook dinner for everyone.

Last week I tried to make a schedule on emptying the dishwasher as we use it every day. My hubby, kid and mum all completed our days. The other men didn't so I had 3 extra days of doing the dishwasher the joys :)

Serious question. If the three men who do nothing to help with household chores failed to empty the dishwasher on their allotted day, would you consider not cooking dinner for each of them the following day? i.e. cook just enough food for everyone, minus the one who hasn't emptied the dishwasher the day before, and explain to him why he's got an empty plate. I reckon all three of them would learn pretty quickly. 😉

BlastedPimples · 12/10/2024 21:37

Eh? Nothing on that floor is beyond a hoover and a mopping. Easily cleaned up especially by a professional cleaner. She wasn't going to have to get on her hands and knees and scrape up the dirt.

The ott reactions on the holier than thou on this thread are amusing.

Op, the cleaner was shit. And clearly doesn't like a bit of graft for which she is being paid.

Just move on, get another cleaner.

Pipsquiggle · 12/10/2024 21:37

I think it wasn't fair to get rid of your cleaner after just 1 clean.

I think it takes a few times for a cleaner to get to know your house, particularly if it's a full on job, which your house is

BestEffort · 12/10/2024 21:38

Honestly don't think you are wrong here op. It's dirty yes but not untidy. You pay a cleaner to clean ffs.

Ive worked in private homes a fair bit and that floor doesn't shock me at all

ChicExpert · 12/10/2024 21:39

Darkdiamond · 12/10/2024 20:37

Honestly, today I hit a real low and was crying because I can't keep on top of it. My illness was really debilitating and I was out of action so my husband could only do so much when I was bedridden for over a week. We came up with a plan today to find a cleaner but this thread has made me so anxious about letting anyone into my house to clean it. I really don't know what to do; honestly I feel completely overwhelmed.

Our last cleaner was absolutely amazing, I don't think all are bad but I am now anxious too about finding another. Never did I think someone would intentionally take pictures of my house to shame me. And make it look worse than it actually was 😞

Id say stay away from agencies and try go for self employed. We found our first on bark!

Don't feel ashamed, not everyone is privileged enough to have a sparkly home 24/7 I think most of these posters are very unrealistic and judgy. Nothing wrong with asking for help and absolutely no reason to hire a cleaner with a clean home..

Hope your cleaner search goes all well ❤️

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KatyaKabanova · 12/10/2024 21:41

Please don't get upset, @Darkdiamond . I'm sure you can find a good cleaner, as @ChicExpert says. Nothing wrong with getting help, we all have challenges.

Cantbelievethatimafoolagain · 12/10/2024 21:43

I would write a negative review online if you're able to. I wouldn't be happy that a cleaner is taking photos of my house without consent.

KatyaKabanova · 12/10/2024 21:45

Cantbelievethatimafoolagain · 12/10/2024 21:43

I would write a negative review online if you're able to. I wouldn't be happy that a cleaner is taking photos of my house without consent.

I thought she asked them to?

Andyetitrains · 12/10/2024 21:46

How exactly was the cleaner or the cleaning company "abusive"? That's what puzzles me, along with what kind of pigs live like that, with all that crap all over the floor? It is disgusting. That is the thing I'd be ashamed of and I'd never have posted photos of it here. Jesus wept!

oakleaffy · 12/10/2024 21:52

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 12/10/2024 19:01

I think the role of the cleaner has changed. Back when I found one for my late parents, she came via recommendation not an agency.
She did a set amount of hours and within that time would do anything required within reason.
When my mum died and it was just my dad I really needed her help. She ironed, helped him put up Christmas decorations I even remember her helping in the garden. She did ironing and she was just brilliant.
Now agency cleaning is a different ballgame. I am really lucky I have two lovely ladies who come and do an hour, so it’s two in total. However, they don’t do things like windows, skirting boards. Anything above basics is not included.
One thing they do say is that they don’t judge family homes - they clean student residences and the horror stories there are immense.
So please don’t judge OP for her floor not everyone is Mrs Hinch.
I would be really upset OP but it’s trial and error, I think.
I was so, sad when my dad’s cleaner retired after he passed away. I really trusted her in the family home. The last few months he was in bed, we didn’t really need her, but I asked her to come and of course paid her. I can remember popping in and they were sitting playing cards and my dad was roaring his head off laughing. So can I just say to all the cleaners on MN (because I see some post) the best ones become family members, and just use initiative and get to know what you need help with.

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This wonderful cleaner sounds like what used to be called “ A Treasure “ .

MillyVannily · 12/10/2024 21:54

Is the owner name Didi? I had similar experience with female owner. She didn't believe me the cleaner did a bad job and was super arrogant. I just moved on to the next cleaner but was really pissed off at the time.

iNoticed · 12/10/2024 21:54

ChicExpert · 12/10/2024 19:08

Bathroom is clean, as I said the cleaner is only hired to vacuum/mop/wipe surfaces in the kitchen/dining room/living room/hallway. Essentially our downstairs only, no rooms or bathrooms. I'm heavily pregnant and can't crack vacuuming and mopping hence hiring a cleaner.

Did you say this to the cleaner or did you say deep clean, like you say in your OP. It can take me a couple of hours to deep clean one room with sweeping, hoovering, mopping, wiping walls, cleaning skirtings, wiping, dusting, polishing, scrubbing grout, cleaning windows, febrezing soft furnished, dusting radiators.

If you ask a cleaner for a deep clean I imagine they would start and get as far as they can within 4 hours. This might mean some bits are left dirty when other bits have been deep cleaned. It might take a few cleans to get everything to a maintainable standard.

If you ask for more of a spring clean, wipe down, hoover and freshen up that’s a very different request and then I’d expect everything to be at a basic level of clean, but not detailed.

Ireolu · 12/10/2024 22:01

4 hrs for just downstairs in a 3 bed house with a kitchen extension shd be enough time to clean even with that mucky floor. My cleaner does all of our whole house to a good standard in 3 hrs. We found ours via recommendation. So no agency. Find someone else.

AngelicKaty · 12/10/2024 22:02

Andyetitrains · 12/10/2024 21:46

How exactly was the cleaner or the cleaning company "abusive"? That's what puzzles me, along with what kind of pigs live like that, with all that crap all over the floor? It is disgusting. That is the thing I'd be ashamed of and I'd never have posted photos of it here. Jesus wept!

She abused OP's trust by taking photo's inside her home, without her permission, and sending them to her agency who, unless there's a clause in OP's contract with said agency allowing this, are in breach of the UK GDPR by holding these photo's when they have no lawful basis for doing so.

whatkatydid2014 · 12/10/2024 22:11

I can’t help but feel this thread is a good example of why mumsnet is accused of being a nest of vipers.
@ChicExpert I really hope this hasn’t overly upset you because whatever some sections of the internet may have you believe those pictures don’t come close to looking like you are living in squalor. I can think of a half dozen people we know with small kids that have loads more mess/dirt than that in between cleaning days and it’s not because they are lazy slobs but because they are busy and they have prioritized other things. This is allowed! It’s absolutely fine to prefer to clean every evening and keep things pristine and for some people they need that to feel comfortable and relaxed at home. It’s absolutely fine to hate housework and to do the bare minimum to keep things ticking over because cleaning makes you feel miserable and you’d rather put up with more mess than have to do it more often. It’s absolutely fine to be somewhere in between. The only thing that isn’t absolutely fine is to be horrible and judgemental about anyone who has a different approach to you.

PondWarrior · 12/10/2024 22:11

ChicExpert · 12/10/2024 18:41

I asked my hubby to take a pic before the cleaner came, we have 6 people living in this house (intergenerational) and wanted to make sure it was tidy before she came as I wasn't home

You have 6 people living in your house and if a cleaner didn’t come then cleaning would only take you - one person - 2 hours per week total? 🤔

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