First 100 days

[Iwishicouldflyhigh]

whoever you voted for, what are your thoughts after the First 100 Days?
I didn’t vote for Labour, but I was quite excited in their first few weeks as Keir got his head down and I was excited fir change.

Now I just feel deflated. Same old….freebiegate, nitpicking, infighting. A bit depressing really.

i don’t even think there was a decent alternative really….and that’s even more depressing!!!!!

An environment where people are able to be net contributors to society, as opposed to the opposite, is what I am keen to see.

No exceptions save for the most deserving of support.

How does that align with the need for currently low paid work to be done? How does it work for people who will never be able to do work beyond that (and let's not forget how essential many of those jobs are in terms of keeping society going)?

The 'deserving' rhetoric is sickening, putting the 'tory' back into Victorian.

So if it is only for the most deserving, what happens to the just deserving support?

You mean like Labour’s WFA cut?

No I am simply asking if support is only for the most deserving, what about the ones who are in the deserving group but not the most extreme cases?

I think some of those that have had that taken didn't need it but the threshold should be higher. Not sure all are deserving. Luckily they haven't got rid of the £150 help for heating you get on UC and for whom most will definitely need.

The budget deficit is forecast to be £87bn this financial year, down from £121bn last year.

Both £22bn and £40bn are fantasy figures. The debate on tax and spending in Britain is so far removed from reality.

The same as Labour’s WFA cut?

Many Labour pp in support of that

I am not pitching one party against the other. I am asking a straight question. Do we throw deserving people under a bus?

But it is silly to suppose that every, or even most, likely changes reported on are just speculation (“by the right wing press”). The government is leaking and testing. It’s expectation management
@Rummly i don’t think it’s silly. The press have become used to just such leaks from the last 3 (possibly 4) Tory administrations (using ‘administration’ to mean separate PMs). It absolutely didn’t used to be a feature and it’s entirely reasonable to think it may not be a feature now.

I hate Labour's WFA cut. A stupid move quite apart from the ethics of it.

Maybe the threshold shouldn't be so low but many didn't need it.

If they couldn't get the processes right to properly means test it, then they should have left it. Some people will really suffer because of this. Stupid dick move.

Guardian.

Labour will bring its “own reforms” to the benefits system in order to make £3bn worth of cuts, rather than stick to Conservative plans, a minister has suggested.

Let’s see.

It goes back well before the last Tory governments. Blair’s and Brown’s governments leaked and flew kites about budgets and everything else.

We know this government has been leaking. Look at the Sue Gray fiasco. There’s no reason to think this government’s any more tight lipped than any other.

I agree with you there. On your other question I haven’t got any detail on what they could propose so it’s hard to comment

I do think those who championed the WFA ignoring pensioners in hardship just above the threshold could signal to Labour it’s fine to do so

I guess it’s wait and see. Biggest build up to a budget in years. Longest wait and doom press conference early on didn’t help them

It’s interesting how the most vociferous responses come from those who feel most impacted from the latest rumoured fiscal reforms leaking from No.10/11.

The notion that most act in a way not necessarily in their own interests is patently bollocks.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

It’s be some much more prevalent- not just my observation, I’ve seen it discussed in opinion articles. The reason I think most (at least) of it isn’t leaks is because it doesn’t come wit( the ‘government sources suggest’ tag. It all reads very much like opinion rather than knowledge.
Of course, I could be totally wrong, or the people advancing such opinions may guess correctly. I’m not saying that none of the rumoured things will be 8n the budget, just that the speculation is unhelpful and pointless.

I am not sure what you mean. I'm not likely to be impacted; I'm not a high earner but I'm not on any benefits. I just want any reduction especially in sickness and disability benefits to come from people genuinely supported to get into work and remain in work. This would be a sea change from the previous government and their rhetoric towards the vulnerable, which was all about blame and punishment. Let's see what Labour have planned in this policy area.

Speak for yourself.

Touched a nerve I see.

Well, that's a constructive engagement with this discussion.

Mind you, that goes for both of you.

Who’s the other you have in mind?

Yeah the PP has an unhealthy obsession with me, evidently.

Chrysalistastic. I mean, disagreeing is fine, but do it on substance. I take grave issue with the use of 'deserving' and 'undeserving ' poor and I think it is an overly simplistic view of the reasons why people have difficult lives, but slinging snipes back and forth achieves nothing.