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Please help me figure out how to fix my kids ' childhood

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DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 11:27

Theoretically, we are very privileged. Both dh and me have good jobs and the kids are relatively healthy. But our biggest issue (at least mine) is that there is just not enough time. Ever. The kids never have enough time to play, do craft, practice dd's instrument or do homework. We barely have enough time to talk and on top of that the kids are sleep deprived because there isn't enough time to sleep. And dd is late to school most days. I blame the long school days in the uk but other parents and kids seem to manage much better so it's obviously something we are doing wrong. I'm desperate. Please help me figure it out. Dd is 8 and in year 4. Ds is 3 and in pre school.

This is our schedule:

7.00 wake dd
7.20 dd slowly gets up (after lots of attempts to get her out of bed. Mostly still no shouting at this point)
7.20-8.00: dd gets ready (go to the toilet, get dressed, brush teeth and hair, pack school stuff, eat breakfast if there is time otherwise pack breakfast and eat in the car). More and more shouting and stress at this point for the kids to hurry up.
8.00 we have to leave at 8 to be at the school by 8.30. Most of the time we don't manage and are 5-10 minutes late. Most of the time we have forgotten something.

Ds gets up quite easily at 7 but needs help wothe very step of grtting ready. So he gets ready very quickly but then often delays everything by starting to play and refusing to leave the house.

8.30-3.30: school
4.00-4:15: back at home.
4.15-6.15 free time (but dd loses a lot of time by very slowly washing her hands and removing her shoes, etc). This is the time when theoretically she could do.any school related work or practice her instrument. Ds can just play.
6 -7.15 or 7.30: dinner. I know it's long but dd is severely underweight. No medical issues. Possibly arfid. She eats extremely slowly but we cannot cut down on this time and risk less calories going into her.
7.15 or 7.30 - 7.45: dance or play (so they don't go to bed feeling too full)
7.45 -8 or 8.15: get ready for bed (This is when I start getting stressed again)

8.30 - 8.45 lights out after reading for a while
Dd takes very long to fall asleep. Often an hour or so. It's not hecause she isn't tired. It's irrespective of when she goes to hed and she struggles so incredibly much waking up in the morning that she imo she needs more sleep. Ds is out like a light sometime between 8.15 and 8.30 whenever we manage to put him to bed. He is just turned 3, has just dropped his nap but we don't manage to put him to bed before that. He refuses to go upstairs without dd.

Once a week dd has a club at school followed by swimming so she only comes home by about 7pm and then everything is even more delayed. Once s week I need her to.atrend a club or after school club so I can finish work.

On Saturdays we have a slow start. Dd has an extra curricular activity at 11am but somehow we are also always late for this club. The biggest bottlenecks are getting ready and breakfast. She hates both. She is adamant that she wants to do this club. We try and keep Saturday afternoons and Sundays free for family outings, meet8ng friends, birthday parties, going to the park or play dates. Somehow they pass in a jiffy too. Sometimes her homework takes a couple of hours (or more).

Our biggest bottlenecks are getting ready and eating but I just don't know how to get dd to speeden up. I'm not sure she can. She is very absent minded and dreamy. And she is so tired in the morning, which slows her down too.

She loves doing craft but we have got a million craft projects lying around that she has started but doesn't get time to finish because she never gets a decent few hours or fald a day in one stretch to work on just one thing. There are the weekends but I also think it's important that she plays outdoors and with other kids so half a day goes at least in going to the park or on a playdate.

She loves reading but she reads so much that slowly I think it's doing more harm than good because of all the other things she is missing out on. She also loves talking which slows her down but then we need to have time to talk don't we? She often wants to talk to me at bedtime but we are usually so late already! I get some time to play with ds after school but at all times when dd is at home she talks non stop so there is very little opportunity to talk enough to ds. I thought his language skills were. underdeveloped for his age because of that but according to the health visitor his speech and comprehension are quite good. Still. I feel so bad for not talking to him enough m

Anyway, dd is also meant to do 20min of school work every day (app game based) but there is just no time. We just don't do it. She used to do very well academically but is noe starting to lag behind. She is learning an instrument but rarely practices.

Apologies for the length of this but I just don't know what to do. 1-2h of free time a day are just not enough to fit in anything of quality but I just don't know what to do. I wish she went to a different school that was closer to us and had a shorter day (and no homework) but that's a whole other thread. For now we are stuck with the school.

What am I doing wrong? What could i do betterI ?

I can feel my blood pressure rise every morning and evening when I need the kids to get ready either for school or for bed and I'm exhausted by the time it's done. I always used to be a calm and patient parent but now I'm starting to become more shouty and I hate it. It seems like there is no time for cheerfulness or playfulness let alone any proper playing. This isn't how childhood is supposed to be. Kids are meant to have loads of time. Enough time to get bored. My kids don't even have enough time to sleep. Please help me. What am I doing wrong?

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Xmasdaft2023 · 12/10/2024 19:28

First thing I’d picked up on was the late dinner. Could you feed both of them at 4ish? And swap things around that way? Dinner 4ish, homework 5ish, free play with a snack 6/6.30?

our day looks like this if it helps.. (days I’m working)
7.15 up
8 leave
childminder then does school drop at 9
pick up from school 3
snack 3.30
collect 5pm childminder
tea 5.30/5.45
homework 6.15
free time from 6.30
bed - anywhere between 8&9 (depends on activities on at night)

days I’m not at work which is 3days a week, I feed both mine (6&14) at 4pm and they then get a snack 7/7.30ish and bed remains the same for 6yo. 14yo will often eat again 9.30/10 as he has football til late.

Hope you find something that helps ☺️

Amumof287 · 12/10/2024 19:31

Your children eat too late and go to bed too late. I have an 8 and 5 year old

we get up at 6.45. They get dressed then they have breakfast. I get ready whilst they eat. We leave the house at 8am for school at 8.30

they do after school club on a Monday and Wednesday. So those days are slightly different.

if I pick up at 3.30 they come home, do homework straight away if required. I make dinner for around 5-5.30. They do their own thing whilst I cook. They eat which does take ages sometimes. Bath is 6.30ish. We do their reading- 20 mins. Both in bed by 7.30. The youngest goes straight to sleep. The oldest is allowed to read or write in his journal. Generally he’s asleep by 8.30

They do golf/football/rainbows/cubs/dancing/swimming between them. So very busy, only Thursday and Sunday there isn’t a club. They can stay up later Saturdays and we don’t do homework on weekends at all. they sleep in at weekends

we both work (me part time though)

Freemanhardyandwillis · 12/10/2024 19:32

I wouldn't say 6pm is a late dinner! It is too long though.

Menomidge · 12/10/2024 19:34

Are there issues around toilet issues that are taking ages ? Wiping bum etc and finding it icky and therefore washing hands for ages can be epic and is very delaying.
Secondly get some child multi vitamins into them . Chewy ones are like sweets. One a day age appropriate see if it helps any . At least DD is getting anything she is missing from her diet ? Talk to your doctor !!
Maybe they will do a blood test to see if she is short on anything.
Also if it is ADHD you need to find out as soon as you can.
Magnesium can help foster "quality" sleep.Im not advocating a supplement for this as she is too young ( blood test may be illuminating ) but unsalted nuts like cashews can be a good natural source. A handful before bedtime as a little snack may help her to drift off a little earlier.
Weighted blankets may help too . Is she scared of the dark ? Overactive imagination ?
Longer term consider a change of school to a nearer one if things don't improve or if any diagnosis is obtained.
You are doing just great , stop worrying, kids are resilient and they will thrive in a supportive environment .
It will get better.

Lollipop81 · 12/10/2024 19:40

Stop putting so much pressure on yourself! Go with the flow, doing craft etc isn’t a must do. If kids are happy/fed etc relax. I’m a single parent to a 5 and 6 year old and I work 3 days a week so we are out at 7:30 and not back until 6 on those days. you have plenty more time, stop trying to tick off a list, just do what you can.
i would bring dinner forward though. We eat around half 4 when not at school as they usually have a snack at 4 when at after school club. That should give you more time if you daughter eats slow.
good luck

Singleandproud · 12/10/2024 19:40

Freemanhardyandwillis · 12/10/2024 19:32

I wouldn't say 6pm is a late dinner! It is too long though.

It's late because at that age they eat early at school. DDs lunchtime started at 11:30 - 14:00 at Primary school with a 30 mins slot depending on what year you were in so if they haven't eaten since 11:30 then thats a very long time particularly if they don't eat much when at school.

Nextdoor55 · 12/10/2024 19:40

I don't think you're doing anything 'wrong' , but I'm curious, have you had any changes over the years that might have had an effect on your DD? She sounds psychologically stressed & the answer is always talk, give her time, ask what would help her, would she like more one to one.

To be honest you're better off giving this some real attention now because this is the kind of thing that could deteriorate

GlitteryUnicornSparkles · 12/10/2024 19:41

I think you’ve had a lot of good advice.

Breakfast is one of the most important meals of the day especially when young and growing, you should try to make time for a proper relaxed breakfast time. If your DD isn’t getting up for 20 minutes after first being shouted start earlier. I think even if she got out of bed bang on 7am an hour isn’t long to have breakfast, properly wake up and get ready.

If homework is 20 minutes on an app do it on an ipad on the car on the journey home?

Could you do a quick / small snack and cut playtime down to an hour or an hour and 15 minutes to wind down, this would allow you to bring tea time forward 45 - 60 minutes to around 5.30pm. If tea takes an hour then its half an hour playtime after tea, relaxing bath with some lavender bubble bath or similar for half an hour, pjs and read in bed for half an hour to wind down before lights out at 7pm. I don’t think dancing and giddiness before bed is helpful and nor is screen time.

Instrument practiced on weekends only.

If your DD is expected to get herself ready in the mornings but gets distracted would a tick chart help? I made one for my son and it made the world of difference. It listed everything he needed to do in the morning in the order it made most sense and with rough timings and he ticked as he went. Stopped him procrastinating and ‘forgetting’.

Make sure bags are packed and lunches are made the night before.

Calmer earlier bedtimes may help with sleep if shes still struggling I think it would be worth discussing a sleep aid with the GP.

ThePoetsWife · 12/10/2024 19:44

Meal at 5pm and bed at 7pm - that way they eat and go to bed early enough

newtoallthisshizzle · 12/10/2024 19:56

I was exhausted just reading your initial post! My first thought was a neurodivergence as I’m adhd and was (and still am if I’m not careful) very slow doing things and will find hours have passed with nothing done.

i agree with pp. dinner/tea much earlier. Defo no dancing before bed. Good sleep hygiene, start the sleepy regime about an hour before, dim lights, reading together, a calming drink, teeth brushed with a non minty toothpaste, make it a familiar routine. This is what’s worked for me. Checklist the night before. A whiteboard with what’s happening every day of the week, maybe even meal planner included. Micromanage for all your sakes and to keep the chaos at bay. Where’s dad? 🧑 is he helping? Assuming another parent ?

Awaywiththefairies078 · 12/10/2024 19:58

I think she’s overtired and riled up ( from the dancing before bed). She needs to be in bed for 7.30 latest. So bedtime routine ( bath and story/reading time) starts at 6.45. So dinner needs to be at 5.15. Time from 4.15 to play

Mazanna123 · 12/10/2024 20:09

I would take the pressure off yourself about instrument practice. It's a battle you don't need to have. She will still progress but more slowly and will possibly enjoy it.more. It can just be for pleasure. Or just aim for.once a week practice. If you try and do it everyday you're setting yourself up to fail. It's still a great skill to have so unless you need her to get a scholarship to The Purcell School then take the pressure off.

I would definitely use the time in the car more.productively. Either for homework or eating.

I had a no screens during the week rule as I felt there wasn't enough time.

You don't need them to.dance between dinner and bed because that will probably energise them and make bedtime harder.

Definitely lay out everything thr night before.

One of my children is also a faffer in the morning so you have to add on at least 10mins for the time warp that happens between the bottom of the stairs and the car.

Cookiecrumblepie · 12/10/2024 20:10

Yeah I would say your daughter needs an earlier bedtime and trial methods to get her to fall asleep faster. Then later wake time, smoothie for breakfast etc.

If she is a kid that needs more rest, I would look at moving to be right next to her school. Drastic I know and not always possible, but it sounds like you have some means. It is life changing to be able to roll out of bed, get dressed and cross the road and go to school. Might make a world of difference.

ncncncncncnchhh · 12/10/2024 20:14

wwjalme · 12/10/2024 17:24

Yes this is a good idea.
My Dad always used to tell me stories to speed up the going to bed process, teeth cleaning, washing, pyjamas on etc.
He told stories of his school days in a boarding school. I loved them. Especially the ones about the boys getting up to all kind of tricks. He later confessed he made most of them up!

I love this. My mum made up a song for teeth brushing. Made it more fun.

Cookiecrumblepie · 12/10/2024 20:15

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Octaviusoctober · 12/10/2024 20:23

Op I'm in page 4 and can't read any more.

Is her iron and vitamin ok the tiredness sounds like a deficiency to me.

Re eating with dd 2 we could never sit and have a peaceful meal she was always up crawling, moving etc we let her sit where and how she wanted and fed her as she wanted watching TV or playing games.

She's 11 now and can sit inside a restaurant or at our table when we have a more formal meal etc. So it hasn't damaged her to be able to sit at a table without tech.

But generally we eat casually in our house.

Octaviusoctober · 12/10/2024 20:26

My dd also does instrument and I've rarely asked her to practise and never every day.
By not asking or nagging she does it when she wants and then she can go for 30 mins or longer. We leave the instrument out and accessible for her and she's merrily on her way to grade 3 ( in nearly 2 years) which we are very happy with

Phineyj · 12/10/2024 20:32

She sounds a lot like my DD who has ADHD.

DH probably has it also and struggles with the planning ahead and sequencing aspects of parenting.

Regarding the eating, I saw some good resources on the MIND website about this which I will look up for you in a minute.

DD will graze on small bowls of tomatoes or cucumber so I plonk those in front of her if she's watching TV. Banana in the car if she doesn't fancy breakfast. Packed lunch of snacks and plenty of credit if she wants to buy lunch or a snack at school. Food on a tray, TV on at mealtimes.

This is totally different to how I was brought up but seems to take the pressure off. She is quite able to eat more formally at relatives' houses and in restaurants.

Organisation in the mornings. Lay out everything the night before. Checklists by the front door. Duplicates of everything. Never let the kids go back upstairs once they've come down. Toothbrushes downstairs. Are you being realistic about how long the journey takes?

Melatonin might help with falling asleep.

Has she been evaluated for OCD? Often co-occurs with neurodiversity.

Regarding the instrument - we switched to singing lessons as you can practice that any time. Music is supposed to be very good for ADHD.

Dogsbreath7 · 12/10/2024 21:03

MusicLife80 · 11/10/2024 11:35

I’m no armchair medic here OP, but your daughter may have neuro divergences, maybe ADHD, maybe autism… I think go to a GP.

Agree with this.

my DD was diagnosed with ASD when 16 after real struggles through secondary including depression. Looking back we could see retrospectively issues from babyhood if not toddlerhood and definitely primary- inability to just get on do things so needed 90 mins to get ready, slow to learn to tieshoe laces (embarrassment of having buckled at secondary final motivation). Poor sleeper - baby, nursery never had afternoon nap, had to be soothed to sleep. Still as teenager struggles now on melatonin prescription. Slow slow eater- unfinished breakfasts or mealtimes running into each other. Didn’t like using cutlery (now know it’s noise sensory issues).

i do think the kids are too young to be eating so late. Focus on extra curricular at weekends and schoolwork during week only. DD struggled at school - audiotary/ visual issues unable to concentrate if background noise. Eyesight really deteriorated but didn’t say- thought everyone couldn’t see the board. So check all these things out. Girls mask and it’s exhausting for them- and they zone out.

not a single educational expert picked this up or even considered it, so we were blamed for poor parenting and she a poor student. It took a breakdown for CAMHS to take her seriously.

DrowningInChaos · 12/10/2024 21:04

MintyNew · 11/10/2024 15:29

My ds had feeding therapy as he was so bad with food. He is still a slow and picky eater. I just don't force the things he hates or stresses him. At school I know that he doesn't eat much, but they are fortunate to have an extremely varied menu and different food stations to choose from. I've kind of just left him to manage his own appetite. He is also on the underweight side.
I pick him up with a good healthy snack as he usually so hungry and dinner is also quite healthy and filling. So his lunch meal is poorly eaten and the biggest part of his day, but I make sure breakfast and dinner is proper and nutritious.

What is feeding therapy? Did it help? H9w did you get it?

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Amallamard · 12/10/2024 21:11

You've had a lot of good advice and I haven't read the whole thread so sorry if this is a repeat, but something I found helped a lot with my ND children was having a list up on the fridge of everything they needed to do to get ready in the morning. We also had a no screens until you're ready rule which helped to motivate them to get through the list.

Newusername3kidss · 12/10/2024 21:18

I’ve got 4 kids - 4 to 11.

Your week is not busy at all - my boys have after school stuff every night (the older boys are v sporty). It’s home from school at 4pm - homework and dinner before 5pm, out to sports, back by 6.30pm, shower and chill time, then 7.30pm we watch something as a family (husband and I normally eat then). Then 8pm start getting ready for bed. Youngest down, middle one reads reading book in bed to one of us, eldest in bed by 9pm. All up 7am every day and leave 8.20am.

You definitely need to eat dinner earlier - then your DD has plenty of time.

DrowningInChaos · 12/10/2024 21:21

BluYlloRedPurpl · 11/10/2024 15:40

@DrowningInChaos I would calm your weekends down completely. No organised anything apart from the club she really wants to do. She is surrounded by kids all week in school, so just chill out at home. Potter around for 2 days a week. Thats what we do. It helps.

Today was actually lovely. She got up very early and entertained herself making Halloween decorations, which she has been wanting to do for ages. I was a bit more organised so had breakfast ready 2h before her club and insisted she gets dressed exactly 1h before her club. She and ds did much around a lot rather than gett8ng ready but we made it on time. She's been asking me to make a particular dish for lunch for thr last few days so she was looking forward to lunch. She ate well even though it did take over an hour. And then we went to the park and had lots of fun. A few days ago she noted down in her calendar 3 flute practice sessions a week and she has been sort of sticking to do that. I just need to tell her it's on the calendar. She even managed to fit in a long and leisurely bubble bath before dinner. Normally there is never time for a bath. Just showers. To be honest I'm not even sure why everything went smoothly today. Maybe it was because she got up early and got to do something she wanted or maybe I was slightly more organised though actually I don't think I did a lot differently. She's also been having more protein rich meals especially for the last couple of days. More meat, eggs and fish. Could thst be helping?

She is still awake. I can hear her tossing and turning in bed inspite of getting up so early and jumping around so much in the park.

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rayofsunshine86 · 12/10/2024 21:22

Is she a mouth breather? One of my DDs is and she sounds a lot like yours - very slow, hard to get up, tired, etc.

We've been working on nose breathing and she's getting much better.

Get all school stuff organised and in the car the night before, other than packed lunches. That always helps me!