To expect my daughter to have access to non halal meat

[Bushmillsbabe]

My daughters school now has only halal meat available for their school lunches.

I personally do not wish my child to have halal meat, I think its more cruel than other slaughter methods, however this thread is not intended to debate which is worse/better.

She is dairy and gluten intolerant, and her safe options tended to be things like roast chicken, the vegetarian options usually contain dairy. The pork sausages contain gluten so she would have the chicken sausages, she also eats burgers and meatballs but these are now also halal.

So if I don't give her halal meat, she is left with jacket potato with beans every day, which she does eat, but doesn't want to have every day.

I fully respect that Muslim parents wish their child to have halal meat, but am I wrong in thinking my dietary preferences for my daughter should also be respected and she should have access to non halal meat?

@Petitchat I think I can imagine Spainish regional food in my mind's eye - with the emphasis on regional, because that's how Spanish food works. British food however is so multicultural already. So what do you mean by British food? British grown and reared ingredients to make stew and dumplings, with no curries or pizzas?

It was reared to be killed for food though. The chickens death is a constant the question is about the manner of its death. We keep chickens as pets and they are actually very lovely and friendly. I don’t personally eat chicken but I can understand it’s an important source of relatively cheap protien for lots of people.

Why does the manner of its death matter?

For me British food is mince or offal in some form , spuds and veg. Mince and tatties, cottage pie, shepherds pie , stovies, haggis. It’s a tragedy really we live on an island we should be eating lots of fish and seasonal veg.

This is a British shop sir. British food for British people.

My dogs ears are bleeding.

Are you just annoyed that I hadn't noticed you were vegan?

I thought I was agreeing with you and then querying why you're having a go at me - not inviting a full on assault.

I find that the people who object to Halal meat on “cruelty grounds” almost never object to kosher or are particularly by ensuring all their meat is ethnically sourced.

And they never have an issue with milk of dairy despite the dairy industry being especially cruel.

And so their objections to Halal meat specifically always seem a little odd to me. As if it’s not the animal they’re really concerned with….

Are you still at school, or has the diet of processed, cheap meat addled your brain?

That’s very regional British, though - I think I’ve only ever eaten cottage pie and shepherds pie from that list. I’d be very hungry if that was all that was offered.

You're the one who replied to me about something I wasn't even talking about, which has been pointed out to you 3 times now with a request for where I agreed with whatever you say I did, if you're going to keep on doubling down.

Admit you got it wrong and move on with your life. It's fine.

I thought I was responding to and acknowledging part of your post with relevant experience that, presumably, as youve now mentioned that you are vegan, you might have been interested to know - that previous attempts to introduce vegan menus have met with extreme resistance.

What I really got wrong was thinking you might be discussing something constructively, rather than looking for attacks upon your essential veganness (should it be called 'Veganity'?) where there were none.

'You saw my comment saying yes I'm a vegan to someone, and you jumped on me because of it. You aren't the first and won't be the last'

Yes, we are dairy free in our house, initially due to allergies, but then due to greater awareness. As stated earlier I very rarely eat meat, oldest is vegetarian, and youngest eats meat on advice of our dietician due to her very limited diet due to allergies and sensory needs, if we took meat out too it would be extremely restricted.
DH does eat quite a bit of meat, but sources it from local farm shops/farmers market where he has looked into how animals are kept

We care how people die. Why not animals? We afford this basic courtesy to pet animals after all.

There’s nothing wrong with caring how an animal was killed. I’d much rather it was stunned and unconscious than slowly bleeding to death while conscious.

Most people cannot afford organic or free range meat but they can afford meat from animals that were at least stunned before being killed. And they should have the right to choose it.

I don’t think it makes anyone -phobic to object to bleeding out conscious animals when less cruel methods are available.

If you say that the legal requirement of stunning for non-religious slaughter isn’t always observed, then you also have to take the 65% of religiously slaughtered animals being stunned with a pinch of salt. Can’t argue both points at the same time.

The argument over are we really a Christian country. Well surely yes regardless of percentage as we have a king the ruler of the land who is the head of the church so the country of which the king rules is surely his religion by nature.. no?

No get it right. You commented in a way that seemed sanctamonious in tone, not to me but to people you were mocking. It wasn't even about ANYTHING I'd written. Thats not something I'm interested in joining in with. Rather than getting your back up by disagreeing with the way you wrote your comment, I told you very simply, I was talking about Sen kids and FSM vouchers. That should have been the end of it. No more comments. End of exchange.

You then told me that I was also agreeing with others parts of the PP AFTER I'd already clarified my already very clear comment and and carried on in subsequent comments telling me I was agreeing with something I hadn't, and showing no evidence of where that was.

Maybe I shouldn't have got my back up the SECOND time I had to clarify my position, it does become tiresome when so many people on here create their own version of what you said and continuously double down on it, even when immediately corrected. I would be apologising if you weren't so arrogant doing exactly the aforementioned.

My comment before this gave you the chance to just let it be the end of it and still you continue. I mean if you want to keep arguing with yourself go ahead. I won't be commenting anymore as this feels derailing now.

I'd accept the "we are a Christian country" bollocks a lot more if the majority of people acted as Christians. You know - treating thy neighbour as thyself, turning the other cheek, not committing adultery. You know, the boring stuff that tends not to be covered in glitter and sold at Christmas.

Ah but we all know Christians are often not very Christian are they. The most devout are often nowhere near love thou neighbour.

Massive gossips though.

All religions are total bollocks anyway. And the first refuge of the scoundrel.

Thanks. Yeah I did try one brand of oat milk and I hated it. I could try other brands. One milk I did like is Plenish almond milk, it is just a little too expensive for me, and it's very thin so I would make a latte with it, which was nice

Oh- and coconut milk, only fresh, only from M and S, latte with that was lovely. Again, it's the expense. I hope that with veganism gaining popularity the prices will come down

It's one of the few things I agree with Katharine Birbalsingh on. All of their lunches are accessible to everyone - except for insistent meat eaters.

Religion is weird. Why would you want animals to suffer for longer, in the name of any religion? Plus a million other questions about the nonsense of it all.

Exactly, that was kind of my point up thread.
If you're killing animals, why get in a "my way of killing is better than yours?!"
You're still both killing them 😕
However you try to justify it ( and no, I'm not vegan, I eat meat) admittedly not very often but I do eat it.