Time for a new PM and Chancellor?

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I wrote this on another thread but feel it should have its own thread.

Although I voted Labour (the current Tory’s are too insane), I think it may be time to swap out Starmer and Reeves. If this is done early, there’s enough parliament time left to bed a new PM and Chancellor in.

They both lack ideas, seem confused, no vision etc. They had 14 years to think up workable plans. Coming in and throwing their hands up saying there’s no money so they can’t do anything is very poor. They want to continue austerity on the sly. They indulge in stupid culture wars like VAT to rob Peter to pay Paul (and Paul won’t see a penny anyway). They have bad advisors and are arrogant. It looks like they are just excited to have the job titles and don’t know what to do.

Get a top two who will come up with a bold plan. We’re in the gutter so there’s opportunities to deliver quick wins. They don’t always need funding, simple policy changes can make big and quick differences. If they gave each department a target to deliver one quick legislative win by Christmas, we’d start 2025 differently.

Unfortunately we’re stuck with two people who can’t believe their luck, and who are afraid of the Daily Mail, Murdoch, some loud Redwall types and bots on X who wish our country economic harm. They are weak.

If Labour were a football team, there would be fans screaming for Starmer to be sacked now.

This is not about getting rid of Labour. I believe there is talent in the wider party, much more than in the Conservatives who hollowed out their party under Johnson. Nevertheless I just don’t think Starmer and Reeves should have their roles.

Exactly 'one swallow doesn't make a summer'

I can call it that yes. It’s not the same as the one they did pre GE , however you asked to see it and now dismiss it. Makes no odds to me if it that’s your reaction.

As for the rest of your post that’s being in power for you. I’m sure you were picking up the media for the last gov

Although Labour have made some bad policy decisions and some really poor lines which were their own mistakes.

I’m not the one making the claim about a GE tomorrow, that was pp, I already said it was five years away. However given that recent poll I question their belief it would play out as they expected.

I would like to see the threshold set at the level where income tax is paid, but I agree with means testing. There are many pensioners who don't need the WFA. And disabled people of working age do not routinely receive help with fuel costs - my disabled adult son does not.

Under the last government, pensions were increased, whilst low income working age adults and the disabled saw their payments stagnate because they were not adjusted for inflation. And let's not forget the endless vilification of disabled people under the Tories- was that acceptable to you?

No, it's time the old took their share of the tough times. My grandparents won't mind, they have been dead for decades because I am old.

The media for the last government was pretty soft on pretty serious actual illegality. Actual scandal was downplayed (though I know you deny this). Nobody in this government has broken a rule, never mind a law, yet. It’s nothing.
I didn’t ask for it, I asked for the methodology, which 8n then found for myself. It’s a bit unreliable to say the least. But, as I said, it doesn’t surprise me that there’s been some change in people’s view. What I don’t think is that it will last until the next election - if it does, it’ll be because they don’t improve things for people. In that case, it’ll be deserved. I don’t think the Tories would be better, or even ready to govern again by then though.

@EasternStandard You can 'question' all you want but you can't change the meaning of words - keep meaning to ask you if english is your first language because we often seem to misunderstand one another?

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Why? How? Do you really think that a PM who took away the WFP to pensioners who survived the war to give us all freedom, should honour the dead who didn't return?

That is hypocrisy, and I don't care how many times I trot it out, I still think Starmer should not lay a wreath at the Cenotaph to remember the fallen when he has just sounded the death knell to the survivors. There are 80 and 90 year olds who miss out be £3. Is that fair?

Why do it now? There might well be a case for looking into the payment, but it could have ridden the winter and announced in the spring for next winter.

He couldn't wait to seek revenge. . .

People of those ages didn’t ‘survive’ the war in the sense you are trying to suggest. Those born as the war ended are 79. Nobody under late 90s (allowing for people lying about their age to enlist) fought in the war. Generally speaking it’s older pensioners who still get WFA because of the changes to state pension - that’s why pension credit was brought in I think.
You are being quite ridiculous.

Edit: revenge for what ffs? What do you imagine they have done to him?

Oh dear. I’ll leave that insult. Maybe go for a walk if you’re feeling defensive over Labour.

Not intended as an insult - I'm sorry you took it that way - was trying to be polite and tactful. I've asked exactly the same thing of other posters before but never had a response like that so will draw my own conclusions and ignore your rudeness

80 year olds were born in 1944. 90 year olds were still at primary school when the war ended. Are you suggesting that they should get the WFP in recognition of their contribution to the war effort as small children?

We are getting very close to the day when no living person will even remember WWII, when can we stop banging on about this?

What an odd question.

An apology alone would have been fine

As for ‘draw your own conclusions’ that’s also bizarre.

There are 80 and 90 year olds who miss out be £3. [sic] Is that fair?

Depends on their financial circumstances, rather than age, doesn't it?

My 93 year old friend is not bothered about not getting it. My other friend who is 75 is very pissed off, even though they are very comfortable financially. Another friend who is 68 is just a few pounds above the PC limit and so is missing out and I don't think that is fair at all.

P.S I suspect one of them may have voted Reform. I will leave you to guess which one!

OK they are broken, I am happy with that 😆

My late father was in this age group - and had a really 'good war' missing school, sleeping outdoors in the anderson shelter, spotting german aircraft on their way to the docks/steelworks and then watching the fires on the horizon. Don't think it was so great for his mum tho'

And how does his mum feel about losing her winter fuel allowance?

It’s always amazing to me that posters know how others have voted.

I said "suspect" which is not the same as "know"!

So what. You seem unduly concerned about it. 4.5 years to go until another GE. And we all know the British electorate are famous for having a short memory.

Why not start your own thread about how we all want the Tories back eh ? Go on @EasternStandard You know you want to really. Sad thing is you’re in such a little bubble you don’t realise that most dislike the Tories too. So much that life long ones said they’ll never vote Tory again. I’m trying not to get personal but you actually seem to be trolling.

I expect she’s been beyond needing a winter fuel allowance for several decades now.

Was thinking the same.

Oh dear you again. Winding up and up in your posts

I’d suggest a run for you, but maybe past that.

I mostly skip past those rants but it was @pointythings who mentioned the voting intention, and someone asked for proof of the voting intention poll which I supplied

I get the pp is struggling but lashing out on mn isn’t going to help.

Quite. (That's the point I was making.)

@EasternStandard Lol. Are you starting a thread on your favourite topic then ? Didn’t notice an answer as per usual.
The next 4.5 years are going to be punctuated with your oh so not witty sarcasm and cheap jibes.

Please God, no! If you’re right it’s going to be a loooooong 4.5 years.