So if your friend lost 5 stone in 6 months .. would you wonder how ?

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Just inquisitive.. my best friend has always been obese. About 22 stone. I have worried about her health silently for a very long time.. she started Mountjaro in April and is now 14 st. I am completely thrilled for her . Her blood pressure is now 'upper' but not ' see your healthcare provider' .. her heart 'murmurs' have ceased.. I am worried that when she come to the end of her treatment she's will just gain it all again. It is without a miraculous drug.. she has struggled to afford...she is incredibly good with money and financially planned every inch of her journey so that her treatment equalled less than her cost of food consumption.. but only in the short term ( she planned 8 months but goal in 6)

My AIBU is ..I see the amazing difference , she is so happy for the first time in a long time after years of weight watchers, slimming world, Cambridge diet.. low carb, NHS gastric band..(15 years ago which helped but only ever got her to 16 stone before piling it back on) .. she has found one of the Mountjaro providers who will prescribe a maintenance dose...

But she can't afford it long term. It will be £189 per month without a discount.. AIBU to say I can pay this for her. She is my very best friend . I love her new found sense of self confidence.. and don't want it to go.. the money is not an issue for me . I am extremely comfortable and struggle to spend. However would love to help someone I love very much.

Just for complete transparency I had crept over into 'unhealthy' zone as also had osteoporosis in knees. Also took Mountjaro for 2 months and know how incredible it is. I have kept it off for 5 months without a maintenance dose .. it just reinforced healthy eating recipes for me . . But I haven't been morbidly obese

Did you miss my earlier post asking you where the information is that these drugs are very dangerous? I assume you are posting out of sincere concern and want to help people not harm themselves so sharing the information you have would be very useful.

Quite interested in this.

Who is bypassing whose advertising standards and giving the drugs away for free? Omitting side effects?

If you are talking about referral schemes I agree., I find them uncomfortable.

But I don’t see anyone omitting side effects. No legitimate place you can get it from omits the side effects. Even people talking about on social media talk a lot about the possible side effects. Both long and short term.

Funnily enough she missed my post asking pretty much the same thing.

Utterly in agreement!

It's really not that hard and stop fetishizing food.

The govt and media need to heed this warning - that's where the food fetish stems from. Check most ads. TV, billboard, online, etc. They know things are dangerous - they advertise and sell them cheap, then tell you they're dangerous and you shouldn't get them. It's like playing chess with people's willpower and laughing at the result while making money. Awful!

Stop berating those who've fallen for it and focus on the people who're using them as puppets. Atleast obese people are trying to find a way to solve the willpower problem.

You could offer to help support her. Maybe make an offer of helping towards the costs, that way she is not relying on you entirely, and give her some independence.

This is madness. Of course you’ll be hungry on 600 calories!! And ill I would think. You can’t seriously believe that you are a medical and biological anomaly amongst the human race. If you can’t lose weight on such a diet there must be something else at play. Or you have reduced your metabolism to almost nothing. I can’t see how your body is functioning properly in this state - it just can’t be.

Fast 2 or 3 days a week ?

With a full time job and kids and a life?

You're literally advocating people starved?

How's that working out for the starving in Yemen or the famines across Eastern Africa ?

They're all really healthy are they?

Only a grotesque privileged westerner would come up with fast for 3 days a week for the people suffering from obesity 😮😱😱

You say you can afford this for your friend and that is very generous. I think, before you offer, you should calculate what this will cost you for a year, 10 years, the rest of her life. If your offer is time limited you need to include that information. Also, are there any other circumstances which would change your offer - you might need money for something else, she might win the lottery/receive an inheritance? Not saying you shouldn't offer, just think about how to word it.

Unfortunately that will never happen. Big pharma will be there waiting for all the obese people with their wonder drugs which cause even more disease and illness. It's an evil circle of profit they've created.

You’re still refusing to back up any of your claims. Any reason?

Are you able to build muscle? Exercise for 20- 30 mins every day and get out of breath heart pounding? Sorry you have lost family members so young. I feel for you. Being shorter is really difficult with the amount you can eat before putting on weight!

If you can't not eat for 24 hours 3 times a week you are probably diabetic or close to it. Fasting would actually really help. It boosts growth hormone in your body and causes a state of autophagy which removes pre cancer cells.

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Nope, just short and menopause.

You do the maths. For 30 years I put on weight at 1300 calories so I tried hard to restrict - and I put on 5 stone. I gained a pound a month because of course for a normal healthy adult 1300 calories wasn't a lot

Then I had 70% of my stomach removed. A revelation ! I could eat 1000 calories and not be hungry

3 years later I've lost 5 stone and I'm still overweight- and I'm starting to put on veeeeery slowly (eating 1000 calories) - and I can't eat less or being hungry comes back

So I do Mounjaro for last 4 months. It takes me down to an average of 600-800 calories and I start to lose weight very slowly, one pound a week.

When I have lost all the weight I will need to maintain at 800 calories - and I will need the drug to do that

Or I will go back to 1000 as I'm hungry and the weight creeps up

Mounjaro kills the hunger and takes me to a place where food is just an easy 2 small meals a day - and I can get on with my life

My sister is on it. She's 5 inches taller, almost a decade younger and started at 25 stone. She is able to eat a lot more - she can eat 1500-1800 at the moment. But that will gradually reduce as she loses weight and she will probably need to eat 1000-1200 for maintenance - again she will need the drug to do it

And why shouldn't she? She will have lost 15 stone of weight. She didn't diet like I did for 30 years.

Very few people can fast for 72 hours a week. They're not all diabetic. I was prediabetic until I started mlunjaro. I'm not now.

Great, you've found something that works for you

Actually not all studies agree with this.

As with everything some studies agree some do not. You can’t talk like it’s absolute fact.

One of my team landed herself in hospital with fasts such as these.

and it’s not recommended to fast if you already have disorder eating.

Fasting can also make diabetics really sick.

And this is what I find so utterly dodgy about this drug.
I am getting ads inbetween every bloody you tube video for this and similar drugs at the moment. I’m not even obese and I am having this pushed at me every day. Very aggressive.
on another thread I mentioned Wild West tactics of this drug. Other posters said ‘would you say that for depression drugs or drugs for diabetics etc’ Well I’m not getting any other drug being advertised to me almost daily. That’s the difference.

Ive seen a fair few people managing to get hold of these drugs when they are only a little overweight just to loose a couple of stone. ‘Why not? It curbs your hunger’ they say. But what are the long term effects of this? How wide spread are they going to get? With the aggressive marketing it feels like a large section of the UK are going to be taking these as a quick fix to loosing weight. And then what when you’ve finished your course? Do they have effects that make you eat differently than before when you come off? Are you a reformed character eating wise with a fully working off button and a strong drive for no UPF’s?
Because if not, you will either gain it all back and more. Or you will need to be on this drug for life (and finding the money for life too)

Mmmm yeah sure,
You forgot to sign it off Mrs M. Jaro
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Also I already do intermittent fasting. I've been doing it for over a year. I basically eat my 2 small meals at 2 and 5 and that's it.

So I already do 21 hours most days without eating. Basically because I'm not interested in food and I need to eat the same so that I can make sure I get enough protein.

What’s your agenda here? Because you are not backing up any of your claims despite being asked numerous times.

Are you just a big pharma critic?

Are you hoping you can fat shame people into weight loss instead? (This never works, btw, and can often have the opposite effect).

Or do you genuinely have concern for people (even if misguided) in which case, share your sources of information regarding these very dangerous drugs so people can learn what you learnt about them.

A Zoe nutrition subscription would be far cheaper and would change eating habits for life potentially, help menopausal symptoms and would actually be healthy!

You could do it together so you support each other.

im not sure of the dynamics of weight loss, health/side effects and money exchange between friends long term.

this could go sour.

I think this would be incredibly kind of you. And, for anyone else who wondered how your friend was affording it, well, it wouldn't be their business.
As usual, on threads about this drug, you have all the "well, why doesn't she rely on diet and exercise?" - but this is a miracle drug. I've struggled with my weight since I was seven years old - that's forty years of struggle. Six months on this drug have solved my weight problems. And, if I need to be on it long-term (as I am for other drugs, as our many people) then, that's fine with me.
You're a good friend, OP.

The fact you both have the same problem suggests you both have a microbiome that’s out of whack. Genetic propensity or perhaps passed from your mum or both.

Have you tried any probiotics ever? Like high doses? Something like Vivomixx or Seed. I wonder if it would help. Your microbiome is not working for you at the moment at all which is unfair!!

Why would you pay to continue her prescription of she is now at a healthy weight. She doesn't need to lose any more. She just doesn't need to put it back on.

Losing more would be unhealthy.

A normal healthy diet will keep her where she needs to be.

I should add I was fat until 3 years ago when a health scare shocked me into healthy eating. No calorie counting just lots of fruit, veg, pulses, lots of protein. Low carbs, low fat, very few UFPs, less alcohol. The weight dropped off and my underlying condition faded away.

It can be labour intensive eating this way but it doesn't need to be expensive. I bulk buy pulses and legumes on Amazon and cook huge batches that I freeze. I eat loads of frozen veg that is much cheaper and more convenient than fresh. Same with fruit. I make my own Greek style yogurt with UHT milk. I don't eat much meat but get my protein from eggs and beans and when I do eat meat I batch cook a casserole of chicken thighs or stewing steak that will last for weeks in the freezer. I save money by no longer buying ready meals, takeaways or other unhealthy options.

It's that simple folks. Stop eating processed and refined foods you weren't designed to eat and your body will be healthy. No calorie counting and exercising to lose weight is a waste of time. Calories in calories out is a horrible way to manage your weight.