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I have just watched this documentary and it broke my heart.
Hamas are revolting monsters, I can't call them animals because animals wouldn't even do that.

I do wonder how the younger, very outspoken generation would:

1. Feel if that was a festival they went to and watched their friends get slaughtered
2. Have said if there were social media at the time of WW2

Would we have been viewed in the same way Israel has been? The causalities of war were far greater.

I do not support the way in which Benjamin Netanyahu is going about this war at all but I 100% agree with Israel's right to defend itself.

They seem to be the only war I can think of where a country being attacked from all sides, from countries who do want mass extermination of Jewish people (do the younger generation still get taught about the holocaust anymore) who are repeatedly being told to stand down by the west.

To remind the younger generation of previous war casualties (for anyone with the argument that this war is completely out of proportion):

WW1

• UK - 885,000 deaths
• Germany - over 2 million deaths

WW2 - is this proportionate?

• 1.5 - 3 million deaths in Germany
• 210,000 dead - Nuclear bombs into Japan

• 70,000 innocent dead - England

Iraq War

• 179 English soldiers
• 4,492 US soldiers
• 186 - 210,000 Iraqi civilians

No civilian should ever be harmed in war, it is evil however it is inevitable.
How many Jewish people should be killed for Israel to be supported in defending themselves.
So the "the death toll is completely out of proportion" argument doesn't stand.

Yes, we can go back to the time before the bible and argue who has the right to the land. But this current war was started by Hamas and Hezbollah the following day.

However, please don't try to say they want mass extermination of Jewish people just because of the land.
People spitting on a naked woman's dead body when brought back into Gaza, footage filmed by Hamas.

Lets call this what it is pure racism, just like the Nazi's, who killed 6 million Jewish people.

Totally agree, this is why Hamas, Hezbollah etc will never be eradicated

There's many polls to back up my claim. Even those taken before the war

@Firealarm1414 And this one is particularly sickening

https://x.com/HeidiBachram/status/1842051775706144799

Oh God - that’s horrible. I’m so sorry. I’m from an Irish background and am often in Ireland. I am completely horrified at the anti semitism on display there. I’d always ( naively) thought Ireland was a country with a good record on relationships with other cultures and races. It’s as though some people are using this conflict to pour our all their hatred and bitterness on one group. Like the old biblical scapegoat- heaping all blame on one set of people . It’s a terrible thing to see.

That is one of the most vile things I have seen

I cannot understand any reason why a Pro Palestinian March would be arranged on October 7th unless it’s to

1. Provoke and mock those who are grieving
2. Suggest support for the perpetrators of October 7th

Can someone explain why that date has been chosen?

Disgusting. As an irish person that's particularly embarrassing. I can't even talk to my irish family and friends about this topic because I know what their stance would probably be. They dont understand because they dont know any jews and only see it through the lens of the irish situation, even though it's really nothing like it. I don't live there anymore and I stand with the Jewish and Israeli people that I know. I've seen first hand how they were affected by October 7. I see now that anti semitism is ingrained in irish society, just look at the recent behaviour of our president, it was unhinged. Blatant anti semitism on display.

Yes, can some of the pro Palestine people on here defend this? Explain the logic?

It really really is disgusting. I’m so ashamed to see posters and views like that in my country of origin .

Another March on October 7th to mock the victims - I’m absolutely horrified.

Im pro Palestine, but I would not defend the date neither would I support any marches held on the 7th. Neither do I know any people who support Palestine and would go.

I also find it unnecessarily incendiary and not in any good interest of the cause- if the cause is indeed the good of Palestinian people, because outcome seemingly is (like Hamas' actions) to give Palestine a bad name.

Thank you for your support. It means a lot to Jewish people to know that some Irish people are enlightened and do not support antisemitism. Your president should be ashamed of herself.

I suppose I would fall under being pro-Palestine, however the organisers would be the best people to ask. I have not heard of the groups on that poster and am not a member/supporter of them. MNers on here won't be able to explain their actions simply by being pro-Palestine unless they are a member of, or support, these groups.
It is a controversial choice of date, especially with the words used on the poster.

Edit: Just been able to open the whole image (could only see part before clicking), it is very bad wording and I think the reason is rather clear regardless of what organisers may say - I hope they don't get a big turnout for this.

Same here. Anyone who attends these marches should be ashamed. 1200 innocent Jewish people died and hundreds taken hostage and people want to celebrate these atrocities? If that isn't blatant antisemitism I don't know what is.

Hopefully you understand that it’s more than just a “controversial date” as it implicitly implies support for what happened in that date rather than condemnation.
Im hoping you can also see that it uses anti semitic imagery?

Sorry- I’ve just seen your edit. Thank you

It should be traced and dealt with

It's not antisemitic to point out that a government/army is unlawfully treating/killing people and act against international law. Antisemitims should not be an excuse to shut down discussions around war crimes (as identified by UN Human Rights Council).

Once again....this is hard work...FFS

IT WAS THE COMPARISON TO THE NAZIS that was the issue.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

The starting point for Israelis was support for a 2 state solution going back many years. But whatever Israel offered (an example of which is referenced by @VideoKilledRadioStar above), it was rejected. Is it really any surprise that Israelis have lost hope for a 2 state solution?

Well the president now is a man, neither of the Marys (yes that looks wrong imo but apparently thats how you write mary in plural) who preceded him would have embarrassed themselves by meddling in political affairs like that.

Anyway, it's a bit late but Shana tova. Please know that more people than you think are in support of Jewish people.

A very good and balanced article from today’s Times, concluding:

”Both sides are renewed in their determination for total victory.”

archive.ph/2024.10.04-220118/www.thetimes.com/world/middle-east/article/october-7-israel-gaza-conflict-xtrr37qg8

A quick Google of the organisers of this will tell you all you need to know about them. They are clearly a very dodgy evil outfit - anti imperial action Ireland. All the images are people in balaclavas so obviously nationalist terrorist supporters. I don't think it's fair to suggest this is mainstream views and we are yet to see if the event is even allowed to take place. Tbh I think the post should be taken down because you are inadvertently advertising it.

The comments under the post in Twitter are almost as upsetting and clearly not minority views

You are right. That is absolutely disgusting and I think most Irish people would agree (I am Irish).

Irish people in general don't agree with the Israeli government's actions in Gaza because of the humanitarian crisis there, but that does not mean we are unsympathetic to Jewish people or that we don't appreciate the horror of Oct 7th. We do. I disagree that antisemitism is ingrained in Irish society. I don't think that's true.

I think what's linked above is abhorrent. I am hugely embarrassed by it too.