Stopping the boats.

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Honest question.
When Rishi Sunak announced the promise to tackle Channel migrant crossings as one of his five key pledges at the beginning of 2023, and subsequently failed and Keir Starmer appearing not to be concerned about the numbers arriving daily, when other EU countries have taken a much sterner stance sending a clear message, why can't we stop/pause the boats?

There need to be mechanisms for people to apply for asylum from their own countries, e.g. Afghan and Iranian women living in repressive theocratic regimes 🤦‍♀️

The main problem with living in a repressive regime is that it is repressive, so I’m genuinely interested in how you think this could possibly work, bearing in mind that the two countries you’ve mentioned aren’t known for letting their female citizens wander about as they please? We have no embassy there and internet access isn’t a given, especially in remote areas of Afghanistan, even if the authorities allow access to British government websites and the woman in question isn’t having to escape from her family as well. So, assuming a woman has internet access and a supportive family, and manages to be granted asylum in the UK from her own country; exactly how would she get to us? Do we send her a residence permit and a ‘Good Luck not getting killed/forced into modern slavery trying to get out of your country’ card? Do we contact the Iranians and the Taliban and ask them for permission to land a flight there to pick up all of the citizens that want to escape from them? How do you think that will work out for the women when they turn up at the airport? Or do we just tell them that it’s survival of the fittest, and the onus is on them to smuggle themselves into a different country?

But the blokes get out!

So that's cool.

I would be interested in the stats to support your statement about the men bringing their families to join them and by what means?

Your statement about "Young, healthy men of working age are far more use to us than elderly people for example. They will contribute to society and pay taxes" is incredulous and needs to be proved then I'm sure people would feel differently towards them.
What on earth makes you think that elderly people should be discarded in favour of these young men, don't you know that elderly people pay taxes too? So your response is to be cruel to people who were born here, worked and paid taxes only to favour young healthy men of working age who chanced coming to this country?
So what would you suggest doing with them when they eventually grow old?
People should not be made to feel discriminated against or apologetic for growing old.

www.euronews.com/2023/09/06/why-its-often-men-who-make-the-migration-journey-to-europe
To answer your questions about why more men are making these journeys.

Yes I agree with this. It's ok for people on here to say well it's only 35,000 people who came over last year, I think that was the number. But that's a lot of people who need housing, GPs, Dentists, access to hospital treatment etc, not to mention that number then increases if they then want to bring family here.

I would bet that a very large percentage are minimum wage workers so they will then need help with housing benefit, wage top ups etc. We cannot keep expecting migrants to do the jobs we don't want to, if that is the case, as that's not solving the problem it's just adding to it.

And where do you draw the line and say enough is enough. When our population is 75 million, 90 million, 100 million?

If someone is granted asylum they are then allowed to bring their families.

Sorry, I think you misunderstood my point about young healthy males. I wasn't saying they were more important than elderly people. I was responding to a pp who said they didn't want "young men" (specifically) coming here. I was trying to ask why not young men? Surely if we have so many job vacancies here (we do) then young males are perfect to fill many of these vacancies. I didn't understand why the pp wanted to reject young males but would seemingly accept other ages and sexes of immigrants.
I was actually saying a young male immigrant might be more useful to the country than an elderly immigrant because they'd be working and paying taxes. I wasn't talking about elderly British people!
Anyway, the fact is I have nothing against elderly immigrants either. They're welcome, in my opinion. I was simply making a point that young males could be useful when we don't have enough people to fill the job vacancies.

If you're using Afghanistan as an example, and we get a lot of Afghan asylum seekers, women can't travel without a chaperone and can't leave the country. There was a conference to discuss women's rights in Albania recently and women were dragged off the planes in Pakistan.

Women are also vulnerable to traffickers who exploit refugees and can be forced into prostitution or forced labour. They're also at risk of sexual assault. Women may be carers or mothers and not want to bring their children or abandon them.

If someone is granted asylum they are then allowed to bring their families.

So just the crossings doesn’t give the full picture?

That may be 30k but families will take that up again for asylum

To begin with some would oppose any attempt to stop the boats. Wherever it is and wherever the price the U.K. pays.

So if we have so many job vacancies in this country and not enough people to fill them, why do people say that immigrants are doing jobs that British people don't want to. It's either one or the other.

If British people don't want to do these low paid jobs and receive benefits instead why are people against benefits being stopped after 12 months if someone refuses a job. We wouldn't need to rely on immigration then.

@2dogsandabudgie I’ve just posted about what the government is doing in my area, paying care companies subsidies to employ immigrants, the company is giving them all the hours and cutting the hours of the care staff already doing the job and have been for years therefore they are leaving how is that helping?

Most these young fit men do not speak English and have no work skills so the huge asset the poster thinks. They also get a lot more than 37 pounds once processed and allowed to stay.

I am not on first name terms with them either but I generally find a better word for people who come here than "boats"

Fair enough, do enlighten me.

How many of them do you realistically think will be happy to word as carers?

Oh, OK, so men, are more likely to be monsterised, by? Other men?

So it's very cool for them to get out and leave the women and children to all the monsterisation.

Good to know that they're leaving the women and children unprotected until they can send for them.

I dunno, I have a husband and a son and a daughter, if we were all in peril I'd have a lot more respect for them if they stayed to protect us from whatever the danger was.

I wouldn't think to put my son forward. I'd put my daughter forward to escape from an oppressive regime, because it would be more harmful to her. Surely?

I do think that anyone who supports mass immigration by young men is a credulous fool.

Exactly this.

The "first safe country" rhetoric is very handy for the UK, in that it means that no asylum seekers should come to the UK at all. Probably why it is not in fact policy.

Women may be carers or mothers and not want to bring their children or abandon them.

Yet many men seem to be willing to abandon the women.
Considering the fact they’re not allowed to leave the house without a chaperone, in what position does that leave those women?

Thank you, @horrorcicada , for a factual and informative post.

Kier Starmer intends to provide housing for veterans.

https://www.housingtoday.co.uk/news/keir-starmer-promises-to-house-all-military-veterans-in-need-domestic-abuse-victims-and-young-care-leavers/5131790.article

Congratulations on the daftest suggestion on the thread. A thread that started so well before MAGA-lite arrived.

Obviously it would've been better if Johnson, the lazy fecker, had bothered to renegotiate the Dublin Agreement.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Regulation?wprov=sfla1

peppermintteacup · Today 05:23
Make a blanket policy that no migrant will be housed in any of the 5 largest cities in the UK.
And then make a PR campaign abroad to spread that.

Oh yes, great idea because all the people who live in the pretty towns and villages will welcome them with open arms.

The age of the men coming from Afghanistan are quite young, they're more likely to be sending over their sons hoping he'll bring them over or send over money.

There are millions of women without chaperones in Afghanistan most noteably widows, but any close male relative can act as a chaperone. It's expensive to pay for smugglers and their family may have given them the money to go.