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Stopping the boats.

375 replies

Scenicgirl · 30/09/2024 22:05

Honest question.
When Rishi Sunak announced the promise to tackle Channel migrant crossings as one of his five key pledges at the beginning of 2023, and subsequently failed and Keir Starmer appearing not to be concerned about the numbers arriving daily, when other EU countries have taken a much sterner stance sending a clear message, why can't we stop/pause the boats?

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MissMeMiss · 30/09/2024 23:25

HelenHen · 30/09/2024 22:29

The only way to stop people risking their lives in the channel is by providing a safe route to asylum. But nobody wants to talk about that 🙄

For absolutely everyone who wants to come??

candlewhickgreen · 30/09/2024 23:30

Bananafoster · 30/09/2024 23:24

I wonder whether if we had a very mean benefits package that would help? If we only gave the absolute basics. Even France have said that we give too much and the benefits are too much of a pull. Just very basic food, a bed in a shared dorm and nothing more. No ability to claim benefits or use the NHS free for a set number of years. Would getting here be worth the risk?

They only get about £50 a week, housing and access to the NHS. They're hardly in the lap of luxury. They also don't choose where they're sent to live. The home office have also lost hundreds of kids to god knows where.

RogueFemale · 30/09/2024 23:31

Hilariously, -for all of you who voted Leave on the racist ticket - it's got that much harder to police our border after Brexit.

Also, we actually need these immigrants to do all sorts of jobs we Brits are unwilling to do. We need young people, as we're not breeding enough.

EasternStandard · 30/09/2024 23:35

Bgfe · 30/09/2024 22:58

We already do a huge amount to stop them. Numbers would be a lot higher without the interventions.

Some repeats of the usual nonsense on here. No. Brexit is nothing to do with it. The Dublin agreement returned tiny numbers and we took more in than we returned.
Safe routes for asylum? There are tens of millions wanting to travel and if they don’t get a visa or whatever they will travel anyway. It’s an accepted and visible choice for people in poorer countries. A huge proportion of young men in many countries now consider travelling in this way.

Making whatever new legislation is pretty irrelevant while we still abide by the international asylum laws. People can generally avoid detention and removal unless they commit serious crimes.

People will do what people have always done. Travel for a better life. It’s how the US and Australia etc got built. The boats will never stop while some people choose the UK over other European countries (or need another go at asylum when they’ve failed in other countries) it’s a lucrative business now.

Eventually we will run out of expensive temporary accommodation and need to start camps.

Exactly this. Especially this nonsense on every thread

Some repeats of the usual nonsense on here. No. Brexit is nothing to do with it. The Dublin agreement returned tiny numbers and we took more in than we returned.

kitsuneghost · 30/09/2024 23:46

Bananafoster · 30/09/2024 23:24

I wonder whether if we had a very mean benefits package that would help? If we only gave the absolute basics. Even France have said that we give too much and the benefits are too much of a pull. Just very basic food, a bed in a shared dorm and nothing more. No ability to claim benefits or use the NHS free for a set number of years. Would getting here be worth the risk?

I don't think it would
As someone else said the smugglers feed a lot of lies so would still claim they would get handed a good lifestyle.
I think we need information campaigns in origin countries telling would br migrants harsh realities and also warning of modern slavery.

Supersimkin7 · 30/09/2024 23:49

I think illegal arrivals benefits package should be standardised across Europe. It’s not high here, but it’s staggeringly expensive cos hotel owners see it as a licence to print money.

Lambeth council near me is investigating what they’re paying hotels to house migrants as it’s often £4k a month per person. Easily £4k. Lambeth is struggling to provide child and elderly services to us natives.

Apart from that, once you’ve got leave to remain, you get residents’ benefits ie the same as the locals in that country. That’s what appeals about Britain.

In Blighty these benefits are low but they’re for life - eg housing - which is the attraction.

It’s ludicrous to complain racism is the objection to illegal migrants. Most of our refugees where I work are white, whereas the people who are having their care services and schools cut are black. And not millionaires either, on the whole. London, (where all the migrants want to stay) is like that.

ghostyslovesheets · 30/09/2024 23:52

AlmondsAreGreat · 30/09/2024 22:27

Because “stop the boats” is undeliverable rhetoric aimed at the lowest common denominator. A meaningless “vote winner” that sounds all tough but is totally meaningless.

They can’t stop the boats. They could probably reduce the number. They could have a robust, efficient system for processing applications for asylum, and removing those who aren’t genuine, whilst treating everyone with a bit of dignity. They could probably work out a system of safe routes to avoid people drowning and putting money in the hands of criminal gangs.

But why put in place a system that works and enjoys the confidence of the public, when they can come out with meaningless soundbites?

This 💯

ADHDparalysis · 30/09/2024 23:55

Bgfe · 30/09/2024 23:02

The thing that annoys me about the defenders of the asylum seekers is that they don’t recognise that these young economic migrants are sucking up any capacity, accommodation, funding and goodwill so genuine refugees don’t get a look in.
We can’t bring in women and children from Sudan or Afghanistan while the system is choked up with Pakistani and Albanian men here to earn money.

Given that you've already assessed all of their claims, perhaps you could volunteer your services with the Home Office to help clear the backlog?

Theoneandonlyjrae · 01/10/2024 00:38

Crazyeight · 30/09/2024 22:31

They probably could stop the boats if we were able to find and train a megalodon

😂

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 01/10/2024 00:43

The numbers coming at the moment are tiny compared to what is to come as climate change unfolds. It's baffling that the people who hate immigration the most are also likely to also be anti net zero / climate sceptics. The next 50-100 years will be interesting.

Oldseagull · 01/10/2024 00:48

Crazyeight · 30/09/2024 22:31

They probably could stop the boats if we were able to find and train a megalodon

That may be difficult what with the being extinct and all.

Weren't we supposed to be getting sharks in UK waters anyway if global warming increased? Forget Reform and protesting against immigration. Instead fire up the diesel guzzlers, increase to as many flights as you can and litter with abandon.

🤣

Remaker · 01/10/2024 01:26

Australia ‘stopped the boats’ and we have a bloody enormous coastline. The way you do it is to treat everyone arriving like absolute shit. Dump all of them in detention (aka jail) then ship them off to remote locations for processing, which takes years. We favoured Nauru, an island which is getting hammered by climate change too so we’re f*cking them over every which way.

But you have to be indiscriminate- every single one of them is processed this way. Then when you do allow them into the country you put them on special visas that don’t allow them to work or attend education. I don’t know about health I assume/hope something is provided.

Then when - shocker - some of them steal to boost their income the opposition screams that the government is letting criminals into the country and demands even harsher treatment.

In the 1970s we had boat refugees arriving from Vietnam and there was a bipartisan approach to it so the racists and rednecks couldn’t get any traction with their hate. Now the grandchildren of those people are going to school with my kids and banh mi is everyone’s favourite lunch and we can’t imagine life without Vietnamese migrants.

But in 2001 the right wing government of the day weaponised asylum seekers for political purposes and it won them the election. And now the genie is out of the bottle. Racism and xenophobia are vote winners. And when our now Labor government tries to improve things the dementor who is the opposition leader rallies all his right wing media supporters to attack them.

However, I will acknowledge that processing claims is extraordinarily difficult. People destroy their documents. Adult men claim to be children. It isn’t simple or straightforward but you get better outcomes for everyone if you don’t politicise it. And if people stop salivating over Daily Mail articles and remember these are humans.

iamtheblcksheep · 01/10/2024 02:45

HelenHen · 30/09/2024 22:29

The only way to stop people risking their lives in the channel is by providing a safe route to asylum. But nobody wants to talk about that 🙄

Because the majority are not asylum seekers. They are economic migrants.

Katielovesteatime · 01/10/2024 02:48

HelenHen · 30/09/2024 22:29

The only way to stop people risking their lives in the channel is by providing a safe route to asylum. But nobody wants to talk about that 🙄

100% agree

Katielovesteatime · 01/10/2024 02:48

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 01/10/2024 00:43

The numbers coming at the moment are tiny compared to what is to come as climate change unfolds. It's baffling that the people who hate immigration the most are also likely to also be anti net zero / climate sceptics. The next 50-100 years will be interesting.

Also agree!

Yamantau · 01/10/2024 03:06

while the idea of escorting boats back to international waters or returning migrants to their country of origin may seem like a straightforward solution to the issue of Channel crossings, it is complicated by legal, humanitarian, and ethical considerations.

Gloriana1 · 01/10/2024 03:18

How do we 'stop the boats'.

Turn any young men immediately back where they've come from.

Stop pretending that boats full of blokes need saving. From anywhere.

Flick boats of men back to whence they came.

I'm not interested in swarms of men. I don't care.

Gloriana1 · 01/10/2024 03:24

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Justice4Friend · 01/10/2024 03:28

RogueFemale · 30/09/2024 23:31

Hilariously, -for all of you who voted Leave on the racist ticket - it's got that much harder to police our border after Brexit.

Also, we actually need these immigrants to do all sorts of jobs we Brits are unwilling to do. We need young people, as we're not breeding enough.

The government doesn't just want anyone to have kids.
They want the middle classes to have more kids.

Everyone on benefits should be made to do a job - any surplus jobs left over then let the low skilled migrants in to cover that.

(Not including people with physical and mental limitations that are on benefits.)

Gloriana1 · 01/10/2024 03:28

And if we have climate refugees?

What are you going to do?

Stop everyone presumably?

Nat6999 · 01/10/2024 03:32

There was a news report that our border force have actually arrested some of the people operating the small boats & destroyed the boats & life preservers they were in possession of. If this kind of thing can be expanded, then we can stop anyone being able to get on a small boat & mean they won't be spending thousands for a place. Then we need to process the people wanting to come over in France & send anyone not eligible back to where they originate from.

Justice4Friend · 01/10/2024 03:33

Supersimkin7 · 30/09/2024 23:49

I think illegal arrivals benefits package should be standardised across Europe. It’s not high here, but it’s staggeringly expensive cos hotel owners see it as a licence to print money.

Lambeth council near me is investigating what they’re paying hotels to house migrants as it’s often £4k a month per person. Easily £4k. Lambeth is struggling to provide child and elderly services to us natives.

Apart from that, once you’ve got leave to remain, you get residents’ benefits ie the same as the locals in that country. That’s what appeals about Britain.

In Blighty these benefits are low but they’re for life - eg housing - which is the attraction.

It’s ludicrous to complain racism is the objection to illegal migrants. Most of our refugees where I work are white, whereas the people who are having their care services and schools cut are black. And not millionaires either, on the whole. London, (where all the migrants want to stay) is like that.

They shouldn't be placed in prime places like London.
They should be put up in poor towns until they have been given asylum or deported immediately if not.

Gloriana1 · 01/10/2024 04:58

RogueFemale · 30/09/2024 23:31

Hilariously, -for all of you who voted Leave on the racist ticket - it's got that much harder to police our border after Brexit.

Also, we actually need these immigrants to do all sorts of jobs we Brits are unwilling to do. We need young people, as we're not breeding enough.

Mate.

Please.

Do not call yourself 'RogueFemale' and then Wang on about racism and Brexit.

Hilariously, your brand of feminism is not promulgated by the blokes on the boats.

peppermintteacup · 01/10/2024 05:23

Make a blanket policy that no migrant will be housed in any of the 5 largest cities in the UK.

And then make a PR campaign abroad to spread that.

flashspeed · 01/10/2024 05:26

RogueFemale · 30/09/2024 23:31

Hilariously, -for all of you who voted Leave on the racist ticket - it's got that much harder to police our border after Brexit.

Also, we actually need these immigrants to do all sorts of jobs we Brits are unwilling to do. We need young people, as we're not breeding enough.

People aren't breeding because the western quality of life is going down the shitter, it's horrifying that instead of improving the housing situation and mental health crisis in young people they're using immigrants to do the work instead and that deranged lefties cheer about it.

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