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Child identifies as a wolf ... WTF?

636 replies

Portakalkedi · 27/09/2024 12:15

Just on Radio 4 now, discussing a child in secondary school who identifies as a wolf, and the school is going along with this. AIBU to think the world (or at least the UK) has gone mad? If said child is living in the woods, catching its own prey etc etc, howling and running with other wolves, which I doubt, then why the hell is anyone going along with it? They are also saying that some others identify as dogs or cats etc. And here was me thinking men 'identifying' as women was bad.

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Terfified · 27/09/2024 14:19

It's one of the ways the cult can get access to children. Get them to play believe they can be animals first. Then tell them they can be born in the wrong body.

The end game was always children. In Germany there is a proposal to make paedophilia a protected status. https://x.com/ReduxxMag/status/1838993882366747003

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https://x.com/ReduxxMag/status/1838993882366747003

CassieMaddox · 27/09/2024 14:19

TheKeatingFive · 27/09/2024 13:11

How are you defining transsexual?

There are men who present as women and vice versa, but that doesn't mean they actually ARE the opposite sex. You know that, right?

And furries do exist. A quick google and you'll see sufficient evidence of this.

Why is a furry so different to a man presenting as a woman?

Because a trans person is still identifying as a human? And therefore fully able to converse and interact with the human world?

"Furries" (whatever you think about them) are not the same as a child identifying as a wolf.

Enoughwiththisshit · 27/09/2024 14:20

KnittedCardi · 27/09/2024 12:32

Cats don't go to the loo on the grass. They dig a hole, cover it up. Then lick their paws and arse clean. If they are not doing that, they are not a cat.

The cats round here take a shit on my front lawn while looking me in the eye, then stroll off nonchalantly. They don't even bother to lick their arseholes.

And I live in a nice area!

MarieDeGournay · 27/09/2024 14:22

I'm trying to look at this from a different angle. The concept of totem animals or spirit guide animals exists in a number of cultures, which involves admiring and taking on some of the positive attributes of an animal we admire - courage, cleverness, agility, etc.
Why can't children be encouraged do that, rather than actually pretending to 'be' the animal they admire?
If they do, that is. I have no personal experience of a child 'being' a furry animal at school or anywhere other than a fancy-dress party.

mrswhiplington · 27/09/2024 14:22

It used to be called attention seeking back in my day. Simple as that.

Combattingthemoaners · 27/09/2024 14:23

WarriorN · 27/09/2024 14:18

@Combattingthemoaners check out "primary school leaders" fb group run by The Key; that's where there was a recent post asking for help with what to do.

I don’t have FB, sorry. It’s clearly a fad influenced by TikTok etc (which they shouldn’t even have but that’s another thread). That doesn’t mean there are hoards of children up and down the country putting their paws up to answer questions or eating from a bowl in the canteen or chasing balls at break time. It annoys me that people genuinely think schools are pushing “gender ideology” to students. I don’t even have time to eat my dinner during the school day never mind find the time to encourage children to identify as hamsters.

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 27/09/2024 14:24

No one gets to be who they want in school anyway to some extent, we all have to conform and follow rules. Surely the way to deal with this is say 'No John, this is a school for teenage humans, you can be whatever you want outside school but in her you are a human' end of discussion. I can't fathom why any teacher would encourage this..and by encourage I mean anything that involves not shutting it down and calling BS.

From a parent perspective it's worrying too. If my kid got this kind of notion I'd be furious to find the school facilitating this. It would then make me as a parent look like the enemy for not indulging it. These kids need MH help

BoreOffAboutYerChickensEmma · 27/09/2024 14:26

Karl Pilkington’s idea for Bullshit Man has never been more needed.

Combattingthemoaners · 27/09/2024 14:27

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 27/09/2024 14:24

No one gets to be who they want in school anyway to some extent, we all have to conform and follow rules. Surely the way to deal with this is say 'No John, this is a school for teenage humans, you can be whatever you want outside school but in her you are a human' end of discussion. I can't fathom why any teacher would encourage this..and by encourage I mean anything that involves not shutting it down and calling BS.

From a parent perspective it's worrying too. If my kid got this kind of notion I'd be furious to find the school facilitating this. It would then make me as a parent look like the enemy for not indulging it. These kids need MH help

No sane teacher would indulge any of it. I refuse to believe there are teachers doing so. We can’t even tell them who we are voting for so why would we be able to push or encourage identity? It’s madness. We just want to bloody teach our subjects and go home and not deal with any of this crap.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/09/2024 14:27

Attempting to swerve this discussion away from the safeguarding issue at the heart of this no longer works. It's now well documented that there are children "identifying" in an age inappropriate way as wolves, cats etc in some UK schools.

This is a major safeguarding issue, not just because of the adult sexual fetish roots but because adults in some schools (and some parents) are abandoning their responsibility to safeguard children and instead indulging in promoting fantasy as fact to children. In pretending that children can identify as a different species. Thus creating an unsafe education environment for all children where fantasy is presented as reality. No wonder so many children are struggling with their mental health if this is how adults behave.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 27/09/2024 14:27

JaneEyreLaughing · 27/09/2024 12:28

But why not?

What did we think would happen if our leaders nod along saying a man can be a woman.

If one impossible thing, then why not others!

This is where the madness has led us.

Exactly. And once teachers are told to lie to their students, and people are threatened with arrest for saying it’s not true, and male sex fetishism is treated with the respect due to a religion — what can you expect?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/09/2024 14:28

Combattingthemoaners · 27/09/2024 14:27

No sane teacher would indulge any of it. I refuse to believe there are teachers doing so. We can’t even tell them who we are voting for so why would we be able to push or encourage identity? It’s madness. We just want to bloody teach our subjects and go home and not deal with any of this crap.

Maybe chat to some of the teachers on the thread who confirm this is real?

ManhattanPopcorn · 27/09/2024 14:28

It's a fad. It'll pass. Pick your battles.

ChungKing · 27/09/2024 14:31

Combattingthemoaners · 27/09/2024 14:27

No sane teacher would indulge any of it. I refuse to believe there are teachers doing so. We can’t even tell them who we are voting for so why would we be able to push or encourage identity? It’s madness. We just want to bloody teach our subjects and go home and not deal with any of this crap.

Because we’re all told you have to affirm identities or you’re the problem. I’ve known plenty of teachers who’ve discussed their private lives with kids (often very inappropriately) one of the worst offenders ended up being done because he had images of child and animal abuse on computer! Most teachers are amazing (my sister is one) but we can’t pretend there aren’t a few bad apples with their own agendas.

TheKeatingFive · 27/09/2024 14:31

CassieMaddox · 27/09/2024 14:19

Because a trans person is still identifying as a human? And therefore fully able to converse and interact with the human world?

"Furries" (whatever you think about them) are not the same as a child identifying as a wolf.

Thats not the point though. If you can be one thing you are manifestly not, why not another?

And furries are humans pretending to be animals. There are additional dimensions, but the same at its base.

CassieMaddox · 27/09/2024 14:33

So the programme is about "a bit of reporting about a child in Scotland who is said to identify as a wolf".
I'm still in the "photos or it didn't happen" mindset and think it's an overexaggeration. There have always been these unfounded fears about youth culture - goths, emos, death metal etc all at one time or another held up as a sign of moral decay and poor parenting, which was nonsense if you actually knew any goths/emos/metallers. I suspect this is just more of the same.

Off to listen to the rest now

Laboheme78 · 27/09/2024 14:33

My 14 year old daughter is at a girls’ school. Apparently there are a number of pupils who identify as furries. I have tried to understand what this is, it’s baffling, I just can’t keep up with it all but I’m not sure it makes any difference to me 🤪

Combattingthemoaners · 27/09/2024 14:33

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/09/2024 14:28

Maybe chat to some of the teachers on the thread who confirm this is real?

I am a teacher! I have been for over 10 years. I have read them. They’re saying kids are coming in saying they’re an animal. Quite frankly you can say you identify as a watermelon but it doesn’t mean you get to sit there all day and act like one! No teacher has said they are indulging it or encouraging it. It would be an instant safeguarding or mental health issue and dealt with through that channel. Parents and children would not be privy to that information or the consequences of it.

I am baffled as to why people think teachers are sitting around encouraging young people to act as animals?

Aliciainwunderland · 27/09/2024 14:35

Combattingthemoaners · 27/09/2024 14:27

No sane teacher would indulge any of it. I refuse to believe there are teachers doing so. We can’t even tell them who we are voting for so why would we be able to push or encourage identity? It’s madness. We just want to bloody teach our subjects and go home and not deal with any of this crap.

It is the parents facilitating it. ‘You can’t punish my child for biting another child. They are therian’

CassieMaddox · 27/09/2024 14:35

TheKeatingFive · 27/09/2024 14:31

Thats not the point though. If you can be one thing you are manifestly not, why not another?

And furries are humans pretending to be animals. There are additional dimensions, but the same at its base.

Because trans people manifestly are humans. Confused sorry, I don't understand your point. It seems to be a logical point rather than reality based.

Combattingthemoaners · 27/09/2024 14:35

ChungKing · 27/09/2024 14:31

Because we’re all told you have to affirm identities or you’re the problem. I’ve known plenty of teachers who’ve discussed their private lives with kids (often very inappropriately) one of the worst offenders ended up being done because he had images of child and animal abuse on computer! Most teachers are amazing (my sister is one) but we can’t pretend there aren’t a few bad apples with their own agendas.

We are not told anything. We address the kids by their name on the register and that is it. In most professions there are idiots, your example is obviously an extreme case. This thread is suggesting the teaching profession has an agenda and I find it insulting. It’s utter madness.

Combattingthemoaners · 27/09/2024 14:36

Aliciainwunderland · 27/09/2024 14:35

It is the parents facilitating it. ‘You can’t punish my child for biting another child. They are therian’

I’d report them immediately to my safeguarding lead as they are damaging their child.

TheKeatingFive · 27/09/2024 14:37

CassieMaddox · 27/09/2024 14:35

Because trans people manifestly are humans. Confused sorry, I don't understand your point. It seems to be a logical point rather than reality based.

Well yes it's about logic. What's your point about?

Cerealkiller4U · 27/09/2024 14:37

Portakalkedi · 27/09/2024 12:15

Just on Radio 4 now, discussing a child in secondary school who identifies as a wolf, and the school is going along with this. AIBU to think the world (or at least the UK) has gone mad? If said child is living in the woods, catching its own prey etc etc, howling and running with other wolves, which I doubt, then why the hell is anyone going along with it? They are also saying that some others identify as dogs or cats etc. And here was me thinking men 'identifying' as women was bad.

Wait. I know a child who identifies as a wolf?!?

she kept scratching my kids and hissing at her……and trying to bite her.

RonnieOmelettes · 27/09/2024 14:37

FoxtrotOscarKindaDay · 27/09/2024 12:57

Any child that identifies as an animal shouldn't be at school. Animals don't get an education. Let their parents home school them if they want to.

A wolf in a school would be tranquilised and removed from the premises.

😂😂