To Think This is Too Low a Sentance - 12 year olds knife killing

[LuckysDadsHat]

https://news.sky.com/story/two-boys-believed-to-be-uks-youngest-knife-murderers-detained-for-minimum-of-eight-years-and-six-months-13221221

8.5 years minimum is nothing when these children are still only 13. They could be out at the same age of the man they killed. Why are sentences getting so lenient? I know some will say they are just children, but they are not so naive to not know what they were doing, and after the murder one of them was on social media saying "I don't really care" about the murder. It's just horrific and we need to have higher mandatory sentencing for all knife crimes including just carrying a knife.

@LuckysDadsHat I really do suggest that you listen to the judge's entire speech later, if it's available. It was live in full on the lunchtime news and gives a very different scenario to the one you're imagining, and her full explanation is detailed and informative.

Yes frankly. I'd want to see the sentencing report. The courts get a lot more info than can be carried across in one article which is published as soon as it can to get the news out there.

This horrific. Did they know the victim? Or were they just laying in wait for whoever chanced by?
I already feel sick for their future victims.

All the beautiful children you hear about having drowned, killed in a road traffic accident or died of cancer. Why couldn't that have happened to these monstrous creatures.

Have any parents in the UK ever been held to account for the actions of their very young children I wonder? Along the lines of the recent cases in the US where parents of teenage gunmen were held partially responsible due to them not locking up the guns, etc.

If you have 12 year-olds you should be held to account if you've been reckless and negligent. But then it would result in a mother taking the blame as the father is likely to be long gone.

I get so frustrated that men can get away with just walking off and not suffer any consequences - there really is no political will to deal with this issue, never has been.

It says minimum so they won't be out in half as some do and they will be assessed at 8.5 years as listening to judge report on radio said one felt sad about it one didn't. My question is how do 12 years old get a debit card so they can buy machete knives online? How did they access thatb

Likely hood is they will be out in half that time but the murderers have to serve a minimum of 8.5 and may serve more

One of them sounds something like an orc from Lord of the Rings. He's hardly going to be rehabilitated.

Far too lenient. It’s terrifying that two 12 year olds could have done this. It’s tragic all round as their psyche is obviously damaged to have done something like this at such a young age, and that poor lad who died. Definitely should have got longer.

Well all other children should be removed from those families then.

But they won't be.

Please find time to watch or listen to this, from 12:08 on iplayer. The judges full summing up and sentencing

13-Year-Old Boys Sentenced for Murder: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/l0056s9q via @bbciplayer

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/sep/27/just-stop-oil-activist-phoebe-plummer-jailed-throwing-soup-van-gogh-sunflowers

Soup thrower sentence

And yes, it begs belief

OP, tell us exactly what the sentence should be. And why.

I feel so sorry for the poor lad's parents and family. What an absolute slap in the face for them.
Those little shits will have their whole lives ahead of them.
Oh and plenty of children have deprived and abusive backgrounds but they don't all go round stabbing strangers with a machete. Scumbags.

I agree!

They will not behave in prison and that will play into parole reviews going forwards

I think their parents should be incarcerated too for the neglect where are they in this

They can go to an adult prison from 18! As a YA

The sentence passed could be for life as they need to be seen as no longer a threat even after their minimum term. They were 12, not even teenagers. Yet some people want them hanged

Yes I'd be interested in this too...

I'm sympathetic to JSO's cause but what do you think "begs belief" about this sentence? Seems reasonable to me.

8.5 years in minimum

I think given their age the work that can be done with them this seems appropriate

Why were they walking around with machetes at age 12 that is the questions we need to be asking

Exactly, they are children, they weren't born evil. Prison is not just about punishment, it should be about rehabilitation as well. These kids have been badly let down and it's resulted in the poor young man's murder.

12 year olds should be playing football and eating sweets, not waving knives around and killing people.

Life for a life. And name and shame (their parents too).

Not sure where they will go at their age. I know of 'prison' for age 14 upwards

But it's nothing like adult prison

They were 12. That's very clearly children.
You can't drink, drive, have sex, vote... but you are totally responsible the same as an adult if you commit murder are you?
I think that's a ridiculous thing to say.
We need to do right by all our kids not just the ones who act right.
We are supposed to be a civilised society. We can't go round trying 12 year olds as adults. It's not a deterrent because what sort of a life would these boys have had to have lead to be doing this at the age of 12?
You think a harsher sentence is going to stop other? No. These lads have gone past the point of caring what happens to them or anyone else. This isn't something you can solve with harsher sentencing.
And actually you'd stand to make things worse because even if you gave a 35 year sentence these boys would be free when they are under 50 still.. and you can bet your bottom dollar they won't be able to function and will probably just end up back in prison. At massive cost to the taxpayer..
Unless you are suggesting we kill them or something? To express your anger?
Let's just go back to mediaeval times why not eh?
Fk sake
This nonsense does me in. Someone actually has to deal with these kids at the end of the day.
It's alright sat on your armchair baying for blood bit in reality people actually have to think about what the most effective thing to do is. And let me tell you it's not trying kids as adults. That's just something which daily mail readers get a hard on about and wins right wing government's the vote round election times

No wonder there is no sense of community if you have no opinion on a 19 year old, minding his own business was, was brutally murdered, and the punishment for this is 8.5 years. Where is the justice for the person killed?