To be looking so differently now at Drs, schools etc etc

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Has anyone else had a change of opinion about things that they’ve not really questioned and always just accepted before, in the last few years?
It could be since a became a mum, but I’m wondering if it’s more.
My Dd has been very ill recently and I’ve gained much better help, advise from less traditional Drs-think medical Drs who focus on naturopathy too, homeopathy and so on, I never knew anything about homeopathy before my Dd got ill. The results I’ve seen are incredible and much more positive that traditional things like antibiotics, painkillers and so on.
I used to be a teacher and loved it, but I’ve found myself really questioning if this is the right system and the right way of doing things and am increasingly doubting traditional schooling. Even the way the majority of us work, the 9-5, the commutes, snatched weekends with loved ones, the yearly holiday.
Maybe I’m just becoming an old hippie! 😂
Does anyone else feel like this?

What of the medical doctors who are also qualified Chinese medicine practitioners/homeopaths/herbalists?

Nope ,that hospital still has homeopathy included amongst the available complementary therapies. The difference is that it’s part of a holistic therapeutic approach for people with long term conditions and that what’s can be helpful as it’s about the therapeutic relationship between staff and patients (which is what is often lacking or compromised in the high pressure,overloaded nhs where staff really often don’t have time to care ) www.nhsggc.scot/hospitals-services/main-hospitals/gartnavel-general/nhs-centre-for-integrative-care/

It's not unkind to say PANS/PANDAS is controversial and not a proven illness, that's literal fact. And it's not unkind to say homeopathy is just water, that's also literal fact.

I'm not disputing that you are struggling and seeking answers, I'm saying that the answers you've gone with have no evidence to support them. I'm sorry this thread hasn't gone the way you wanted but people do favour evidence in medicine.

If you do come back to the thread, OP, I just wanted to say I'd wondered about DD having pandas before, as she had a lot of symptoms that fitted.

She's recently been diagnosed with autism and I think a lot of what was (and is) going on was anxiety stemming from that, the OCD type symptoms are fairly low at the minute. Obviously I'm not trying to diagnose your DD remotely, but it might be worth keeping an open mind to there being something else going on.
All the best

I agree to an extent. I obviously give my kids and myself actual paracetamol and any other meds they need, however recently my dd was diagnosed with pcos and doctor wanted to immediately put her on birth control. After a bit of research i found bc was just a band aid, and the homeopathy doctor recommended root burdock extract and inositol. They work- her acne has cleared and she had a bit of a period. Similarly, i have v v large fibroids and NHS do fuck all so hopefully the homeopathy may work

@DecayedStrumpet yes I had come across some discussion about that, seeing as gut health ,dietary factors and chronic inflammation can have impact on those with autism and also those with mood disorders it’s an interesting point you have made. autism.org/pans-updates/

I agree with this. When I was very ill I tried the homeopathic route and boy did I regret it. Took myself to A&E and saw proper doctors. I dread to think how it would have panned out if I’d put all my faith in alternative medicine.

None of those are part of the scientific community in the sense of being researchers. Also herbalist and Chinese medicines practitioners are not the same as homeopaths. Their alternative therapies contain active ingredients and there are scientific reasons they might work. Not so for homeopaths.

That's not homeopathy, I guess it's natural remedies. Homeopathy is when you dilute an ingredient past the point there's any left, then use the water because apparently the water remembers what used to be in it.

Medicine is an applied science, unless you specifically omit medical science from the scientific community.

There’s certainly a difference between material and non-material doses but acupuncture for example doesn’t fall under either.

Complimentary medicine is fine as long as it's complimentary, in addition to standard medicine. Real drs save lives

I didn’t say they didn’t work in science. Anyone who has ever researched homeopathy has concluded it’s crap. A medical doctor training in it can only be motivated by money, loses my respect and I wouldn’t trust him/her with my medical care as a result.

You said they weren’t part of the scientific community.

Medical doctors who train in alternative medicine certainly don’t do it for the money - they could charge far more in conventional medical private practice.

It’s very common in China for example for doctors to be both medical and TCM doctors and use both in their practice. They don’t charge more for the TCM.

I said they weren’t part of the scientific community in the sense of doing research. They aren’t.
Anyone charging anything at all for homeopathy is a charlatan. I don’t want to be treated by a charlatan. As I said, traditional Chinese medicine is different. It has active ingredients.

There’s more to the scientific community than research. Acupuncture does not have active ingredients.

if you are selling something as a medicine or therapy there should be peer reviewed evidence it works. There is for acupuncture. Homeopathy, quite the opposite.

You’re having a conversation with yourself, I’ve never mentioned homeopathy other than in passing reference to medical doctors who also train in alt medicine.

There are very few studies on many if not the majority of medicinal herbs.

More chance than homeopathy, I meant.

Homeopathy is just water so s long as it doesn't have poo or something weird growing in the jar you are probably not going to get I'll from it.

But if you take some kind of herbal medicine that actual has an effect on the body it could potentially hurt you in some way. You need to have someone who knows what they are doing oversee and also who knows what other medications you might be taking etc.

I would be careful with PANDAS as the sources I've read (reputable ones!) do seem to indicate it is real but I have been in many Facebook groups and the like where people suggest it at the drop of a hat. So I wouldn't want to suggest it doesn't exist at all, but st the same time, I reserve judgment when someone random says that's what's the issue, if that makes sense.

by the way, the evidence in acupuncture isn't very good. I believe Ernst and Singh review that in their book as well. A lot of the studies that claim efficacy are poorly done. It certainly doesn't work the way people claim via controlling the flow of qi.

There is certainly more to health than just pharmaceuticals, but it is also not accurate to say that things like diet and talk therapy are somehow alternative. They are used and prescribed by medical practitioners all the time.

That’s interesting because my friend hasn’t got a stress related illness. Not sure what she was prescribed but definitely something. My sister too although this was a while back and obviously not as treatment for her cancer.

'Traditional doctors' have years of training, studying and use EBP, other doctors like money and pray on desperation

Not wrong intentionally but desperate for your children to feel better - if it work there would be documentation to show and it would be mainstream and offered to all

IANAD (or even a homeopath) but reading the list of symptoms on the PANS/PANDAS UK website what it overwhelmingly makes me think of is undiagnosed neurodivergence.

https://panspandasuk.org/what-are-pans-and-pandas/

From a post in that thread.
Mirabai · Yesterday 17:18
What of the medical doctors who are also qualified Chinese medicine practitioners/homeopaths/herbalists?

it was what you asked. It’s what I’m answering. I said the other things were different in my first reply. It’s you having your own conversation.

Exactly, as I said I have only mentioned homeopathy in passing reference to medical doctors who train in alt medicine. So my point was about dual training not homeopathy.