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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To be looking so differently now at Drs, schools etc etc

311 replies

Loveafridaynightchippy · 26/09/2024 22:11

Has anyone else had a change of opinion about things that they’ve not really questioned and always just accepted before, in the last few years?
It could be since a became a mum, but I’m wondering if it’s more.
My Dd has been very ill recently and I’ve gained much better help, advise from less traditional Drs-think medical Drs who focus on naturopathy too, homeopathy and so on, I never knew anything about homeopathy before my Dd got ill. The results I’ve seen are incredible and much more positive that traditional things like antibiotics, painkillers and so on.
I used to be a teacher and loved it, but I’ve found myself really questioning if this is the right system and the right way of doing things and am increasingly doubting traditional schooling. Even the way the majority of us work, the 9-5, the commutes, snatched weekends with loved ones, the yearly holiday.
Maybe I’m just becoming an old hippie! 😂
Does anyone else feel like this?

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Loveafridaynightchippy · 27/09/2024 14:39

@RedToothBrush NOPE!

I truly hope that you’re never in a similar situation as us at present, but if so I recommend certain homeopathy pills over Ibuprofen for inflammation for example.

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MissEsmeWatson · 27/09/2024 14:39

Outofthere · 27/09/2024 12:12

All of Mumsnet: It’s water. It’s fake. It’s placebo effect.

OP: No it’s not.

May I offer a cheaper miracle cure? A wet paper towel works wonders in most UK primary schools. Can be used for any bump or scratch, across the forehead for headaches, back of the neck for sickness.

Not all of Mumsnet at all.

GiddyRobin · 27/09/2024 14:40

Loveafridaynightchippy · 27/09/2024 14:37

@GiddyRobin Been to three separate ones, thanks, don’t tell my what to do with my daughter 👍

Then I'd suggest asking for referals, being pushy, and everything else we as parents need to do when their child is unwell in some way. Relying on a placebo will only blanket the problem.

But, your child, as you say.

ImthatBoleyngirl · 27/09/2024 15:10

harrumphh · 26/09/2024 22:30

Absolutely not, if anything I'm leaning more the other way. AI has already basically cured Parkinson's, it's incredible.

Sorry to derail the thread a little, but my Dad suffers from Parkinsons and needs round the clock care. He has Lewy Dementia and very limited mobility (sometimes he can walk/feed himself, sometimes not). How has AI cured PD? It's so painful watching him deteriorate every day, so any info would be wonderful!

pinkfleece · 27/09/2024 15:11

ImthatBoleyngirl · 27/09/2024 15:10

Sorry to derail the thread a little, but my Dad suffers from Parkinsons and needs round the clock care. He has Lewy Dementia and very limited mobility (sometimes he can walk/feed himself, sometimes not). How has AI cured PD? It's so painful watching him deteriorate every day, so any info would be wonderful!

It hasn't. @ImthatBoleyngirl is talking out of his/her backside.

Loveafridaynightchippy · 27/09/2024 15:17

@GiddyRobin You don’t need to *Suggest anything to me, I’ve done nothing else for the past month, endless researching, private Drs & hospital. I’m a parent and a damn good one at that. My Dd is almost better, just some inflammation left, which has almost gone due to the homeopathy, but thanks for the patronising advice.

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GiddyRobin · 27/09/2024 15:19

Loveafridaynightchippy · 27/09/2024 15:17

@GiddyRobin You don’t need to *Suggest anything to me, I’ve done nothing else for the past month, endless researching, private Drs & hospital. I’m a parent and a damn good one at that. My Dd is almost better, just some inflammation left, which has almost gone due to the homeopathy, but thanks for the patronising advice.

A month? Oh well, there you go.

Good luck, anyway, OP. Hope your daughter's health stays well, and that's sincere.

twomanyfrogsinabox · 27/09/2024 15:27

Its difficult to say anything if we don't know what your DDs problem was. It might be something that comes and goes and coincidentally it has been better while using the homeopathy alongside traditional treatment. It may be the traditional treatment has taken a while to kick in and in the meantime you started homeopathy so it looks like that was the cure. It may be something that eventually gets better by itself.

I believe in acupuncture, homeopathy I find very difficult to believe in because the 'medicine' has virtually no active ingredient, and the less the better apparently so plain water should be best of all.

nothingcomestonothing · 27/09/2024 15:39

Loveafridaynightchippy · 27/09/2024 14:39

@RedToothBrush NOPE!

I truly hope that you’re never in a similar situation as us at present, but if so I recommend certain homeopathy pills over Ibuprofen for inflammation for example.

It's literally water. How do you think it's doing anything for inflammation?

Autumnweddingguest · 27/09/2024 15:50

Boobygravy · 27/09/2024 04:26

Probably Arnica.
Arnica does work for inflammation.
Lots of people use it.

Yes, I think it was arnica.

Loveafridaynightchippy · 27/09/2024 16:36

@GiddyRobin What’s wrong with saying a month then?

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GnomeDePlume · 27/09/2024 16:36

Loveafridaynightchippy · 27/09/2024 14:39

@RedToothBrush NOPE!

I truly hope that you’re never in a similar situation as us at present, but if so I recommend certain homeopathy pills over Ibuprofen for inflammation for example.

Is this alternative to ibuprofen genuinely homoeopathic in which case it is harmless or is it naturopathic/herbal?

There is far too much conflation of these quite different things on this thread.

As a warfarin patient I have to be hugely careful of taking/eating/drinking anything which will affect how warfarin operates. Get it wrong and the results could be catastrophic.

Loveafridaynightchippy · 27/09/2024 16:37

@GnomeDePlume Homeopathic.

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GiddyRobin · 27/09/2024 16:42

Loveafridaynightchippy · 27/09/2024 16:36

@GiddyRobin What’s wrong with saying a month then?

A month of doctors not giving you answers, and you've been sold by the idea of homeopathic treatment. I might understand if this was after years of being tossed back and forth between doctors, never getting answers, and coming to a complete loss.

But a month doesn't even leave room for referals. Speaking to different clinics, researching different doctors, going on waiting lists. Even if you go private, things take time.

As another poster pointed out - perhaps the symptoms faded naturally in that time and may well flare up again. Continuing to pursue answers from a doctor in the meantime would be useful.

You've not told us what your daughter's illness was, nor the treatments you've tried both medical and non medical.

It's alright getting defensive, but you must know a lot of people are extremely cynical about these practices - and with good reason. You've not provided any proof of these medications working other than your daughter seemingly getting better during this time frame; which could be because of other medication she had previously been given or time. I'm assuming she's not being monitored by a proper doctor?

TempestTost · 27/09/2024 16:47

pinkfleece · 27/09/2024 11:36

As a GP, I'd love to spend time helping patients sort out their BP with diet and exercise, I'd love to have lots of consultations with my patients with MH issues and help them to slowly come off their drugs - I'm sure a lot of them could.

I don't have the time.
We are fire fighting.

Blame the politicians of every colour (Blair included, though everyone wrongly thinks he was a hero to the NHS) for that.

Taking a patient off of a bp drug having no effect isn't complicated.

TempestTost · 27/09/2024 16:55

Thepeopleversuswork · 27/09/2024 13:23

@TempestTost

I think you are too gentle on conventional medicine. It's not just that it can seem cold and impersonal, it can be practiced this way, it can be damaging, doctors can ignore the actual outcomes and health goals of patients.

Thats certainly true. There’s much that is structurally problematic about the infrastructure of health. There are well documented problems with resource. The medical establishment is conservative, patrician and doctrinaire. And actually accessing conventional medicine is really soul destroyingly difficult.

But the thread of your argument is really problematic. It pushes people to believe that quackery like homeopathy is a solution because patients feel like they are being “heard”.

Its really not OK. Feeling that the medical establishment doesn’t hear them should not be an excuse for people who are at best naive and scientifically illiterate and worst manipulative to sell useless and potentially dangerous products to sick people.

I understand the shortcomings of conventional medicine but this is a dangerous dichotomy and it drives more people to seek out this sort of nonsense.

Why is homeopathy not illegal? As far as I can tell it’s not even regulated. I think it’s an absolute scandal tbh.

Homeopathy in itself is pretty harmless as long as people don't forgo other treatments.

Non-traditional medicine on the other hand can be effective, but also has more chance of going wrong.

But I think the medical community has only itself to blame if people distrust them because the continuously seem to be supporting unscientific bollocks. I don't just mean poor practice by individuals, I mean actual bollocks spouted by medical institutions.

nothingcomestonothing · 27/09/2024 16:56

GiddyRobin · 27/09/2024 16:42

A month of doctors not giving you answers, and you've been sold by the idea of homeopathic treatment. I might understand if this was after years of being tossed back and forth between doctors, never getting answers, and coming to a complete loss.

But a month doesn't even leave room for referals. Speaking to different clinics, researching different doctors, going on waiting lists. Even if you go private, things take time.

As another poster pointed out - perhaps the symptoms faded naturally in that time and may well flare up again. Continuing to pursue answers from a doctor in the meantime would be useful.

You've not told us what your daughter's illness was, nor the treatments you've tried both medical and non medical.

It's alright getting defensive, but you must know a lot of people are extremely cynical about these practices - and with good reason. You've not provided any proof of these medications working other than your daughter seemingly getting better during this time frame; which could be because of other medication she had previously been given or time. I'm assuming she's not being monitored by a proper doctor?

Edited

OP said up thread it's PANS/PANDAS. A diagnosis Wikipedia describes as a controversial hypothetical diagnosis.

So an illness that possibly doesn't exist getting better from a treatment which has no active ingredients does kind of make sense

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PANDAS

PANDAS - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PANDAS

cardibach · 27/09/2024 16:58

Outofthere · 27/09/2024 12:12

All of Mumsnet: It’s water. It’s fake. It’s placebo effect.

OP: No it’s not.

May I offer a cheaper miracle cure? A wet paper towel works wonders in most UK primary schools. Can be used for any bump or scratch, across the forehead for headaches, back of the neck for sickness.

Works best if it’s blue. True story.

GiddyRobin · 27/09/2024 16:59

nothingcomestonothing · 27/09/2024 16:56

OP said up thread it's PANS/PANDAS. A diagnosis Wikipedia describes as a controversial hypothetical diagnosis.

So an illness that possibly doesn't exist getting better from a treatment which has no active ingredients does kind of make sense

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PANDAS

Ah! I completely missed that.

Well, that makes a lot of sense then! I'd not come across this before. I suppose a placebo for something that might not be real to begin with might just do the trick.

cardibach · 27/09/2024 17:01

MissEsmeWatson · 27/09/2024 14:37

Shouting doesn't make you right, people!

Being right does though. And the person shouting ‘placebo effect’ is right.

Mirabai · 27/09/2024 17:02

Non-traditional medicine on the other hand can be effective, but also has more chance of going wrong.

Not sure that’s true - medical error is the third highest cause of death in the US.

cardibach · 27/09/2024 17:03

MissEsmeWatson · 27/09/2024 14:39

Not all of Mumsnet at all.

Ok. All of the actual scientific community.

Cardiganoutsidein · 27/09/2024 17:07

Loveafridaynightchippy · 26/09/2024 22:25

@nothingcomestonothing She had them and they didn’t help the problem the same way homeopathy seems to be. I know, I never even knew or bothered about it before, but ur really does seem to be working.
Definitely not discounting traditional ways and obviously realise the importance of antibiotics etc-however, there are other ways alongside traditional methods and other doctors who seem to know much more about the link between the gut and the brain for example. A lot of traditional doctors don’t seem that knowledgeable about many things these days in my experience (I’m not in the U.K..could be this, I don’t know)

Homeopathy is doing nothing in itself to make you or your daughter feel better.

read Ben Goldacre’s view on this. It’s enlightening.

the reason homeopathy seems to be positively received by its ‘patients’ is because the average consultation is 1 hour- as opposed to 10 minutes at the GP.

it’s reckoned it’s a mix of placebo effect and just having someone listen to you sympathetically about your problems. These are interesting as it shows human connection can have a positive impact on health, but you may as well visit a kind grandmother for a chat.

Loveafridaynightchippy · 27/09/2024 17:11

@nothingcomestonothing @GiddyRobin
Really unkind. You have no ideas of the struggles, I said nothing wrong in my opening post or ones after, I thought it was just an interesting discussion about something I’d found out through a situation I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy.
I seriously hope you’re never in this situation, I’m out, this was the last thing needed.

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GiddyRobin · 27/09/2024 17:15

Loveafridaynightchippy · 27/09/2024 17:11

@nothingcomestonothing @GiddyRobin
Really unkind. You have no ideas of the struggles, I said nothing wrong in my opening post or ones after, I thought it was just an interesting discussion about something I’d found out through a situation I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy.
I seriously hope you’re never in this situation, I’m out, this was the last thing needed.

It's not unkind to discuss something that's medically controversial with a layer of cynicism.

No one is saying you've not been through the mill with it. But if you're going to talk about this sort of thing online, you're going to get people who are sceptical. It's not "unkind" to point these things out when even the medical world isn't accepting of it.