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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To be looking so differently now at Drs, schools etc etc

311 replies

Loveafridaynightchippy · 26/09/2024 22:11

Has anyone else had a change of opinion about things that they’ve not really questioned and always just accepted before, in the last few years?
It could be since a became a mum, but I’m wondering if it’s more.
My Dd has been very ill recently and I’ve gained much better help, advise from less traditional Drs-think medical Drs who focus on naturopathy too, homeopathy and so on, I never knew anything about homeopathy before my Dd got ill. The results I’ve seen are incredible and much more positive that traditional things like antibiotics, painkillers and so on.
I used to be a teacher and loved it, but I’ve found myself really questioning if this is the right system and the right way of doing things and am increasingly doubting traditional schooling. Even the way the majority of us work, the 9-5, the commutes, snatched weekends with loved ones, the yearly holiday.
Maybe I’m just becoming an old hippie! 😂
Does anyone else feel like this?

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Mirabai · 30/09/2024 15:29

SophiaCohle · 30/09/2024 10:33

The point is that while everyone (or at least competent adults) is entitled to make their own decisions based on their own thoughts, feelings and beliefs, not all decisions are equally well informed.

”Well-informed” is subjective. It generally means agrees with me or agrees with what I consider the paradigm.

Loveafridaynightchippy · 30/09/2024 15:56

@GrammarTeacher I’m sorry, I don’t understand your posts in relation to the illness I’m talking about

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Loveafridaynightchippy · 30/09/2024 15:57

@BarbaraHoward That’s incredible, it’s rarely that simple sadly. My Dd has been on two different sets of antibiotics, both made her worse unfortunately. It’s finding the underlying cause which can be very complicated and upsetting and stressful

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cardibach · 30/09/2024 16:25

Mirabai · 30/09/2024 15:29

”Well-informed” is subjective. It generally means agrees with me or agrees with what I consider the paradigm.

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Well-informed definitely doesn’t mean ‘agrees with me’. It means informed about actual research in this case.

Mirabai · 30/09/2024 17:39

cardibach · 30/09/2024 16:25

Well-informed definitely doesn’t mean ‘agrees with me’. It means informed about actual research in this case.

That is what it means to you.

“Informed about the research” begs many questions - how informed, how much research, competency to assess the research, what types of research, studies pro and con? What is the consensus? Is the consensus country or culture specific? What are the research/treatment options in the U.K. vs Europe, US, China etc. And what about research into the individual patient?

Hollowgast · 30/09/2024 17:49

Homeopathy? Really?

Were you aware of the $1m prize that can be won by anybody demonstrating that homeopathy is effective?

Alternative medicine that works is called medicine.

nothingcomestonothing · 30/09/2024 17:56

Mirabai · 30/09/2024 17:39

That is what it means to you.

“Informed about the research” begs many questions - how informed, how much research, competency to assess the research, what types of research, studies pro and con? What is the consensus? Is the consensus country or culture specific? What are the research/treatment options in the U.K. vs Europe, US, China etc. And what about research into the individual patient?

Well there isn't any research to support the use of homeopathy. The active ingredient is water.

SophiaCohle · 30/09/2024 18:03

Mirabai · 30/09/2024 17:39

That is what it means to you.

“Informed about the research” begs many questions - how informed, how much research, competency to assess the research, what types of research, studies pro and con? What is the consensus? Is the consensus country or culture specific? What are the research/treatment options in the U.K. vs Europe, US, China etc. And what about research into the individual patient?

So tell us about the knowledge and research base as it relates to homeopathy.

ChoccieCornflake · 30/09/2024 18:30

Mirabai · 28/09/2024 20:05

There will be a difference in outcomes dependent on the grade which this data does not show.

But declining treatment only ever leads one way.

That’s not actually true, there are people who survive cancer who eschew conventional treatment. It might not be my choice but none of us know how we would cope with the horrific gruelling nature of chemo so there’s no point moralising about other people’s choices.

A friend of mine was diagnosed with cancer at stage 4 and started chemo but just couldn’t cope with it and stopped. It’s a moot point whether it would have given her more time or hastened her end, and given the extent of the metastases it was a question of when not if.

Just an FYI - not all chemo is "horrific" and "grueling". Nor is chemo the only treatment modality available for cancer these days. Homeopathy might be side effect free, but it is also efficacy free.

Predes · 30/09/2024 19:20

Unfortunately, trying to discuss and question homeopathy with anyone who ‘believes’ is very difficult as they almost exclusively resort to conspiracy theories or subjective opinions. Things people, including my late aunt, say when challenged:

  • Homeopathy is effective, but because it is cheap and ‘Big Pharma’ can’t make any money from it, they will never admit it works.
  • Any testing that shows it doesn’t work is ‘Big Pharma’ colluding for above reasons. Also, ‘Big Pharma’ want people to remain ill so that they can make more money selling them treatments.
  • My friend / cousin / mum / sister had ‘x’ disease and did homeopathy and it ‘cured’ them, therefore homeopathy works. Any improvement seen whilst taking homeopathic remedies is proof that homeopathy works.

There won’t be any arguments for efficacy that don’t fall into one of these bullet points.

cardibach · 30/09/2024 19:44

Mirabai · 30/09/2024 17:39

That is what it means to you.

“Informed about the research” begs many questions - how informed, how much research, competency to assess the research, what types of research, studies pro and con? What is the consensus? Is the consensus country or culture specific? What are the research/treatment options in the U.K. vs Europe, US, China etc. And what about research into the individual patient?

Show me one piece of research that fits those criteria that says homeopathy works.
It doesn’t. Logically it can’t. Numerous studies have proved it doesn’t.

samarrange · 30/09/2024 19:50

MumblesParty · 26/09/2024 22:54

OP if your DD got better with homeopathy then either she wasn’t actually ill in the first place, or she had a self limiting illness that resolved at the same time as you used the homeopathic medicine, by coincidence.

Other things that make homeopathy appear to work are the cost, and the time spent with the homeopathist. People like having time and attention spent on them, it makes them feel so much better. And if they’ve paid handsomely for the “treatment”, they feel even better.

⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆ This...

Go onto any Facebook group and ask for tips on how people have dealt with some common self-limiting condition (sciatica is a good one). You will get 50 different answers from 50 different people, because none of the treatments cured it — people just believe that the last thing they tried before the problem went away must have been what caused it.

Sadly we are all very good at telling ourselves stories when it comes to our health, without realising that we are deluding ourselves. "Normally when I get a cold it lasts a week, but with [remedy] it was gone in just 7 days. I mean, you can't say fairer than that."

Also, homeopaths tend to be very nice people and spend lots of time with you for your £££, unlike overworked NHS doctors. We are all much more prepared to believe nice people who tell us what we want to hear, especially since to do otherwise would imply that we aren't sure that we made a wise choice spending the money.

knitnerd90 · 30/09/2024 20:26

It's worth pointing out that for children who don't have an active infection, PANS/PANDAS may subside with age. The evidence for long term antibiotics or IVIG, which some doctors prescribe, is limited.

Igneococcus · 30/09/2024 21:36
  • Homeopathy is effective, but because it is cheap and ‘Big Pharma’ can’t make any money from it, they will never admit it works.
Big Pharma would be utterly thrilled if it could achieve the profit margins that homeopathy has. Sugar pills with some water are very cheap to produce and there are no R&D costs at all, no clinical trials, no licencing costs, no patent applications.
Mirabai · 30/09/2024 21:44

SophiaCohle · 30/09/2024 18:03

So tell us about the knowledge and research base as it relates to homeopathy.

So tell us where I posted anything about homeopathy in this thread.

Mirabai · 30/09/2024 21:48

cardibach · 30/09/2024 19:44

Show me one piece of research that fits those criteria that says homeopathy works.
It doesn’t. Logically it can’t. Numerous studies have proved it doesn’t.

😂 I refer you back to our previous conversation in we established you are arguing with yourself.

cardibach · 30/09/2024 22:17

Mirabai · 30/09/2024 21:48

😂 I refer you back to our previous conversation in we established you are arguing with yourself.

Interesting. You always deny that I’m answering something you’ve said when you can’t progress your own argument further. Got it.

EllaPaella · 30/09/2024 22:40

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aurynne · 30/09/2024 23:31

MaterCogitaVera · 27/09/2024 00:03

Yep. If water has a memory, people who use homeopathy must all be getting massive doses of poop and sewage and dead fish every time they take a dose. I’m surprised they aren’t all coming down with cholera.

But no, you don't get it. Homeopathy "fights like with like". So by drinking water who remembers poop, you're actually fighting cholera! Clever, aye?

MaterCogitaVera · 30/09/2024 23:37

aurynne · 30/09/2024 23:31

But no, you don't get it. Homeopathy "fights like with like". So by drinking water who remembers poop, you're actually fighting cholera! Clever, aye?

Ohhhhhhhh! I get it now! So if I do water who remembers cake, I’ll finally be able to lose the forty pounds I put on over lockdown?

aurynne · 30/09/2024 23:39

MaterCogitaVera · 30/09/2024 23:37

Ohhhhhhhh! I get it now! So if I do water who remembers cake, I’ll finally be able to lose the forty pounds I put on over lockdown?

Now you're talking!

Mirabai · 01/10/2024 06:56

cardibach · 30/09/2024 22:17

Interesting. You always deny that I’m answering something you’ve said when you can’t progress your own argument further. Got it.

😂 You quote what I said that this was a response to:

Show me one piece of research that fits those criteria that says homeopathy works.It doesn’t.

Mirabai · 01/10/2024 07:12

As I have pointed out before I’ve not mentioned homeopathy other than in passing reference to medical doctors also in trained in alternative medicine.

My point was about duel training not about homeopathy. The OP is about evaluation of traditional methods of medicine and education.

So desperate are you to argue with someone about homeopathy that you’ve overlooked that I have no interest in it and have resorted to invention.

SophiaCohle · 01/10/2024 08:53

Oh dear, it doesn't look like anyone can point to any evidence for the efficacy of homeopathy then.

Mirabai · 01/10/2024 09:24

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