AIBU to think that even if Labour are mediocre then they are STILL BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE?

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Not worshipping Starmer btw. There are plenty of things I would like to see him do that he hasn’t. BUT it’s still an improvement on the Tory pantomime.
(This is really just because I’m bored of the ‘sick of Labour?’ daily threads.)

They have a "Wish" list.. but not putting it into practice.. just all wind and no action.. apart from robbing the pensioners... when Blaire was in.. he delivered his promises.. Stammer isn't..

It’s too soon to judge.

Anyone who thought things would change overnight is a bit daft, tbh.

The new Government has one hell of a mess to clean up. It will take at least a term for people to start to feel positive change.

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There are pensioners with incomes of £12k a year who won’t qualify for the payment now though. I’m not sure many would argue that an income of £1k per month will enable a comfortable life."

I have no idea how someone could live on this by the time you pay community charge 230 for me, internet 43, TV 43, house insurance 20, water 70, utilities 109, ground charges 25, tv licence 10 and that is just to be in your house with no rent or mortgage.

Just coming back to the poor pensioners WFA issue: I agree with the decision to cut it. I would, however, want there to be an overall WFA for any family receiving under a certain amount of income. https://www.if.org.uk/research-posts/pensioner-millionaires-in-the-uk-identifying-the-numbers/

@Cluborange666 that's exactly my view- I think there needs to be a cut off point in household income- be it £22k or even £25k rather than a blanket 'remove' - otherwise as per a previous poster you are catching people only on state pension plus a tiny private pension or where 1 person in a couple gets very little due to NIs being insufficient. Pension credit really in reality rarely kicks in if the income is over £16k unless anyone that age is privately renting still

@forevernumb if you rent though you are still entitled to housing benefit up to certain levels. It doesn't just 'stop' because you are getting state pension. Personally if you own outright and are on that tight an income I would be drawing down on some equity and using that . I really don't get why people don't - many are sat on at least £200k - and better you use a bit up than it all be spent on care later down the line in some cases. Even if you drew £40k and gave yourself £350 a month extra for 15 years or so and paid sod all back - in 15 years it would still be £75k or so off the house sale , but would make life a bit easier and I doubt it counts as deprivation of assets either .

Starmer has just been dealt a blow by the trade unions over the proposed WFA cuts…

Non-binding of course but oh dear.

And there's more.

PM suggests £20,000 donation was for ‘son to study for GCSEs’ (msn.com)

How much accommodation do you need to study for GCSEs? And for how long? £20,000 worth? Really?

I'm not disputing that it would have been difficult to study at home but it didn't need to be that much and as a parent wouldn't you pay that for your child yourself if it was necessary?

Plus ça change...

This is how I feel.

I'm not huge Labour fan, but a C- party is far preferable to the F we had previously.

Labour have always been better at presentation. They're just as bad as the Tories, in some ways worse and in some ways not, but all politicians are dishonest, self-interested and self-important. You only have to look at the things Labour have done so far - taking from pensioners to give to train drivers and accepting freebies because they can't possibly live on a six-figure salary - to see they are just as dishonest.

It's too early to tell for sure how things will turn out, it remains to be seen whether they will improve the country in the long term or do the usual politician thing of kicking bigger problems down the road. So far, looks like the latter.

Yawn.

If they go for him he might regret that applause he got when he dropped the 50% rule and is minimum service level also gone?

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MoneyNeverSleeps · Today 15:56

MrsSkylerWhite · Today 10:46
It’s too soon to judge.
Anyone who thought things would change overnight is a bit daft, tbh.
The new Government has one hell of a mess to clean up. It will take at least a term for people to start to feel positive change.

Yawn

Sorry to be boring you. True, however.

At least a term? Dream on.

The electorate, the media, the markets, will not give him anywhere near that. Nor will he be able to blame the Tories ad nauseum.

The markets have received the new Chancellor very well indeed.

How so?

And please don’t quote todays OECD forecast.

Tumbleweed…

Isn’t it depressing that we have to accept that the option we have is dreadful, but not as dreadful as the previous occupants.

Give it just a little time…

@MoneyNeverSleeps how come ? The Tory's were blaming Labour for 'the mess of the last government' for years and years- if it's ok for them then as far as far as I'm concerned then Labour have every right to return the favour.