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To be annoyed the charity shop called me rude

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ohmydays37 · 22/09/2024 23:07

I donated two huge bags of clothes to local charity shop. Before I could even ask a question the woman who worked there demand my postcode for gift aid. I said my husband deals with that and I explained I wasn't comfortable giving his details without his permission. She then said, I was extremely rude and it was for gift aid and she was running a business. In no way was I being rude (which I told her).

I guess my AIBU to think you can't just ambush people for gift aid without knowing if 1) they pay tax and 2) you need to explain the details of it. Which she didn't.

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HotCrossBunplease · 23/09/2024 07:35

BrokenSushiLook · 23/09/2024 07:04

@Razorrain the details of retail gift aid from MarieCurie posted by @HotCrossBunplease is a bit disingenuous and only tells half the story.

If you sogn up for retail gift aid the smallprint says that the items remain your property until sold and that the charity shop is selling them on your behalf and will then claim your gift aid on the sale price money. If you don't pay much tax and you donate boutique or rare items of clothing you could end up owing HMRC money. Althoigh most charity shops now only allow returns for credit rarher than refund, there have been cases where charity shops did allow refunds and the person who donated the original itens is then liable to pay the extra tax into HMRC. I don't want to get embroiled in it at all.

Some people also have an ethical objection against Gift Aid in general. If you take the position that the state ought to be meeting people's needs for health and social care and that charities are meeting the needs where the state's offer is inadequate then it's a potential opinion to hold that it is inappropriate to remove some amount of the state's tax revenue and give it to the charity because in effect you are therefore merely contributing to making the state's funding shortfall worse

I sincerely hope that you are calling Marie Curie disingenous and not me? I posted their information in good faith.

What you say is interesting, but I can’t imagine that it’s remotely possible on a practical to chase individuals to pay tax on old clothes returned to a charity shop.

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If hyperbole means what I think it does yes

warmduvetnights · 23/09/2024 07:45

DrummingMousWife · 23/09/2024 07:30

Don’t go there again a don’t donate. People are kindly giving their items and she is being a rude nasty woman

I wouldn’t punish those who are helped by the charity just because one volunteer/ employer was a bit rude. That’s utterly disproportionate.

Teateaandmoretea · 23/09/2024 07:49

HotCrossBunplease · 23/09/2024 07:35

I sincerely hope that you are calling Marie Curie disingenous and not me? I posted their information in good faith.

What you say is interesting, but I can’t imagine that it’s remotely possible on a practical to chase individuals to pay tax on old clothes returned to a charity shop.

What?

They just tag the items to the person then claim against the sale price.

That’s why they asked for the details when the bag was dropped off.

Londonrach1 · 23/09/2024 07:50

HotCrossBunplease · 23/09/2024 07:35

I sincerely hope that you are calling Marie Curie disingenous and not me? I posted their information in good faith.

What you say is interesting, but I can’t imagine that it’s remotely possible on a practical to chase individuals to pay tax on old clothes returned to a charity shop.

Sadly they do chase you if you don't pay enough tax as my mums friend got a tax bill for her donated items. I don't understand why anyone does gift aid. Learnt on this thread although I should have known it takes money from the gov for services.

Cantsleeper · 23/09/2024 07:52

SonjaBarkerFinch · 23/09/2024 06:51

This!

Just another day in the life of a mumsnetter!

”My husband deals with that”????

I don’t know why people are wringing her hands over what op said. Her husband does deal with that as he’s the taxpayer. When I signed up for gift aid years ago I had to fill in a form and sign it confirming I paid tax and was happy for some of my tax to go to the charity. Op couldn’t have done that. The way people pick apart posts on here is fascinating!

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 23/09/2024 07:52

Soontobe60 · 23/09/2024 07:25

Me neither! It smacks of Stepford Wives.

It wouldn't have been just the postcode though, they'd have wanted the house number and his name as well. DH was self employed so I would never have given his details for gift aid without checking with him first.

Youwantoborrowit · 23/09/2024 07:55

She’s was definitely the rude one and obviously not understanding the gift aid tax rules.

A lot of people don’t realise you have to state the gift aid amounts on your tax return (if you have to do one, I’ve stopped gift aiding because it’s a nightmare to sort out).

id write to the Charity (anonymously if you like) and I doubt I’d drop my stuff there again.

MammaGisAF · 23/09/2024 07:59

When you complete your self assessment there’s a section to declare any donations you have made that are eligible for gift aid. The charity send a letter detailing this amount periodically, which have to be kept and declared. It’s a massive ball ache unless you are super organised. I wouldn’t be happy if DH or anyone for that matter, signed me up in a charity shop. It just adds to the admin headache.

Next time just say you’re not a taxpayer or stuff it in one of the clothes banks. Much easier.

LadyLapsang · 23/09/2024 07:59

I don’t know why you just didn’t tell her you don’t work or pay tax so they sadly they can’t claim gift aid on your donation.

SpiggingBelgium · 23/09/2024 08:01

friendlycat · 22/09/2024 23:58

These people are volunteers doing a decent job for free.

I really can’t imagine she demanded things of you. She just asked a straight forward question. All you had to do was say no I don’t do gift aid.

She didn’t have to do anything. And if the woman in the charity shop is indeed “running a business”, she won’t be a volunteer - managers are paid.

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Seymour5 · 23/09/2024 08:03

Calmestofallthechickens · 23/09/2024 07:28

I ALWAYS use ‘my husband deals with that’ if I can’t be bothered engaging with someone - do you want a deal on your broadband? Husband. do you want to change your energy supplier? Husband. Can I have a moment of your time to tell you about canine war veterans? Husband.

My husband similarly says he can’t do things because ‘his wife deals with it’. Doesn’t everyone? It’s not a 1950s/sexist thing, I thought it was like the universally acknowledged socially acceptable way to say ‘I can’t be arsed’. 🫣

Absolutely! DH has it off to a tee!

OrwellianTimes · 23/09/2024 08:03

Needmorelego · 22/09/2024 23:09

If your husband has signed up for Gift Aid then why would he bothered if you gave his details?
Wouldn't that be a bit pointless to sign up otherwise?

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There’s a limit to how much you gift aid a year. You probably won’t hit it in a charity shop mind, but self employed people need to keep track of it.

outdamnedspots · 23/09/2024 08:08

All she wanted was your postcode, then details of gift aid so the charity can save money. It's not unreasonable. And it doesn't lead to junk Mail/begging requests.

An adult woman saying that she can't give out that info without talking to her h would make me Hmm

Holidayhell22 · 23/09/2024 08:09

If the woman said it as the op said then she absolutely is breaking the law.
The company can then be fined.
You cannot approach things in this way.
A person’s personal information has to be dealt with under strict guide lines.
Randomly asking someone for their postcode without firstly expressing clear intent, is breaking the law.
The woman should have clearly explained what Gift Aid is and then checked to see if the op is eligible.
This would have ended long before bluntly asking to take the op’s postcode, which is classed as identifiable information, and as such falls under the guidance of the laws on how personal information is obtained and stored.

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LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 23/09/2024 08:13

outdamnedspots · 23/09/2024 08:08

All she wanted was your postcode, then details of gift aid so the charity can save money. It's not unreasonable. And it doesn't lead to junk Mail/begging requests.

An adult woman saying that she can't give out that info without talking to her h would make me Hmm

She would have needed the full address. If you don’t pay tax you can’t give gift aid.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 23/09/2024 08:14

outdamnedspots · 23/09/2024 08:08

All she wanted was your postcode, then details of gift aid so the charity can save money. It's not unreasonable. And it doesn't lead to junk Mail/begging requests.

An adult woman saying that she can't give out that info without talking to her h would make me Hmm

Postcode, house number, name. As others have said if he does a self assessment it's a pain in the arse. It's also a pain in the arse when the spam starts so I would expect DH to check with me before giving out my details

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who is the knob? If the husband then he’s perfectly entitled to say no to gift aid.

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linelgreen · 23/09/2024 08:19

Our nearest charity shop insists on unpacking donations and examining the contents of the bag whilst you wait to see if they want to accept the donation!! When I asked them why they explained that they only wanted items that they could resell and would give back anything they felt was not saleable. I honestly don't want to stand around whilst they do this so now just fill the charity bags that are collected.

BabyR · 23/09/2024 08:20

To be honest I wouldn’t give out any personal details either.
I have volunteered in charity shops - any one with additional needs would not be on the shop floor. The woman was clearly rude and entitled.

KnottedTwine · 23/09/2024 08:20

Must be at least a week since we had the charity shop bashing thread. (Haven't read the whole thing, has anyone said the volunteer is probably just there to steal the "good stuff" yet?)

I am a volunteer - not staff - and no, I don't have learning difficulties and am not volunteering because I can't get a proper job. We ask EVERYONE about gift aid because if you are signed up we get an extra 25% on the value of your donation - something you give us we price at £10, we actually get £12.50 through the tax reclaim system.

The system is widely misunderstood by donors, they think that once they've signed up with one charity, they're signed up for them all. So yes we ask for your first name initial, surname and postcode to check whether you've signed up before, and if you haven't, we'll ask you to sign up IF you are a tax payer. If you are not a tax payer then that's fine. The charity I volunteer with does not bombard people with emails, just one a quarter to tell you how much you have raised through your donations which is a legal requirement.

Never any excuse for rudeness but there are always two sides to any story, aren't there?

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