Teachers given lie-ins and extra days off

[LaughingPig]

The Guardian is reporting today that state schools are offering perks in an attempt to attract and retain teachers. These include lie-ins, whereby teachers will start later one day a week, a day off each fortnight and even the chance to work from home.

Clearly there is an issue with getting enough high-quality teachers into the profession and keeping them there. However, I’m not sure how these initiatives will go down with taxpayers on the back of successive teachers’ strikes, schools closing for months during lockdown and now inflation-busting pay rises.

Would you be happy with your DC’s teacher arriving to school late after a relaxing lie-in or logging on from home?

YABU- teachers deserve lie-ins
YANBU- teachers should be in class teaching DC

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@cardibach

Not every teacher can or wants to be a leader. However, as stated, there are opportunities for classroom teachers to earn up to £16k for additional responsibilities and then over £85k as a classroom leasing practitioner.

I always read these threads and wonder why, if so many people think teachers have it so easy, why people don't retrain en masse.

Quite. And why so many teachers are quitting, if it's such a well-paid, cushy job. And when they quit and go and work in other sectors, do they go 'Oh no - this is far harder' and go back to teaching? No, they don't.

The one that they were force to pull as it misleading and could get them into legal trouble,

In the U K ? Gosh I must have missed the memo in Scotland? Only private schools would offer that sort of additional point based pay for extras and even then with budget cuts and pension cuts in the private sector it is unlikely.
Following recent pay awards the max a standard teacher can make in Scotland will be £50.5k. Promoted posts such as curriculum leader may see a slight increase but it is down to job sizing. Many promoted posts are being consolidated and many schools use a faculty structure to reduce promoted posts. Additional.responsibility is ' experience building' or you may be given an additional period of tiem vs pay to complete it
In a decade I have led countless trips, clubs ,after school and Easter holiday revision classes. I have taken on 'acting' responsibilities and not once have I received a penny extra.
Those responsibilities are seem as what I should be doing as an active member of teaching staff. Increasingly new and inexperienced staff are on temp or termly contracts so take on all those extras for mo extra pay in the hope or securing a permanent job or certainly that is the case in Scotland

I’m a primary teacher but I have to agree with you. I am constantly reading crazy stories about uniform infractions etc.

I thank God that my dc goes to a sensible, extremely caring school.

So why is there a recruitment and retention crisis if it' so well-paid?

Teaching is so inflexible. The Guardian describe it as a "lie in" I see it as a chance for a teacher to drop their kids at school rather than using breakfast club.

Incredible amount of OTT reaction to something that boils down to "flexible hours" ie something any decent company in the private sector has offered for decades and which is quite obviously the default future of most employment.

You can post this as much as you like but it doesn't make it true.
At the free school that your DH is HT in, you posted that he was making teachers serve food and clean the school as money was so tight.
Yet you now think that he can magic up 86K for a LPT?

How can that be true? Not every teacher can be a head - there’s usually only one per school!

Honestly OP I’m beginning to wonder if you ever received a decent education yourself…..

I work a fairly low stress, low responsibility job in fintech. I am reasonably intelligent (good A levels, but had to leave uni for financial reasons). I work from home most of the time: very rarely have to deal with conflict. Have a mild disability which means that I often need to take breaks: and I have the flexibility to work round this. And apart from exceptional circumstances: I don’t work a huge amount of overtime.

Shockingly: I earn a similar salary to the head teacher of a primary school. Thats not including any bonuses or share options.

so no, i don’t mind teachers getting a few wee perks. They are terribly underpaid

Indeed. I’ve never known where any of my DDs’ teachers live, hence would never know if their curtains were drawn. Very weird preoccupation of the OP’s!

Well no. That’s the point isn’t it. Not everyone is earning the salaries the OP is claiming. Not everyone can. And actually, most people who have had the promotions aren’t earnings what she claims either.
‘If all you are is a standard teacher’ - quite a revealing turn of phrase.

Come on, OP. Tell us. Why do you think 40,000 teachers quit last year if it's such a well paid and doable job? And why did they not come back after trying other jobs? Why do trainees often quit before the end of the course? Why do the ones who do qualify often quit after a year or two or go and teach abroad?

mrsm43s · Today 21:31
No, not everyone can get promoted, but not everyone is capable of promotion, interested in promotion or committed to getting a promotion. Just like every other job.
Stay on the bottom tier, get bottom tier salary/earning potential. Get promotions, get bigger salary. 'Tis how the réal world works!

This sort of comment really, really bugs me. My son is a primary teacher, aged 47. He has a Master's degree. He speaks four languages, fluently, after living abroad for years and teaching English. He plays several instruments, to a professional standard, was a champion runner, and coaches several sports, organises outdoor ed and musical productions. He teaches gifted and talented kids, and the parents and pupils absolutely adore him. He works 6 days a week, leaves at 7 a.m. never back before 6 p.m. He does not want to leave the classroom, as he loves what he does, kids and the satisfaction of a job excellently done. But he is not reimbursed for his skills, abilities and results. I see so many incompetent and arrogant HTs who have nothing like what he can offer the kids, but who get paid to paper shuffle rather than interact in a classroom. Oh, and I've been a teacher for 47 years, had spectacular GCSE /A level results, and felt the same as my son about the value of excellent practitioners at the coal face. What is wrong with paying extremely competent people what they're actually worth?

If the demands of the job can’t be met through pay then they have to be met through other perks. If, my these methods, they are still able to deliver for their class then no issue.

I’m a trained teacher. Now work in higher ed, £50K+, 10 weeks’ holiday/year, nothing to do for work during those holidays. WFH when I like, some days in the office if I want. If I’m a bit under the weather I can have an email day. Would I go back to the classroom and take a massive pay cut for triple the workload??? No way! I did apply for a job in a local school a couple of years ago. They were super keen to have me, offered an interview about half an hour after I applied for the next day! Offered the lowest salary they could, which at that point, was barely more than £25K. A lie in would have made no difference to my saying no!

OP is a bot or getting responses from one.

Seriously@LaughingPig what the heck is wrong with you? Who is going about checking their neighbors curtains are open

Great idea! I support anything to retain good teachers in the profession, im sure the "lie ins" will be starting at 10 and making up the hours somewhere else. I want them to pay the teachers what they deserve

mrsm43s

If all you are is a standard teacher, you can't expect a management salary

What exactly do you mean by this?

A lot of teachers' pay progression stalls at MPS6,
UPS is supposed to be based on PMTs but many are refused it because HTs are wankers and enjoy the power of nepotism schools cannot afford it.
UPS also has its own set of standards but schools add on leading responsibilities because they can. So even TLRs are difficult to get.

Some clarity on the reality of TLR's. Only one in four get a full TLR of up to 5k for their extra responsibility.

@LaughingPig out of interest: do you still work yourself? Just curious about how you have an obsession around checking your neighbors curtains are open in the morning

But that's his choice. He sounds like a fabulous classroom teacher. But he's choosing not to go for promotion, so why would he expect an uplifted salary, when he doesn't want an uplift in responsibility?

It’s a shame, really, because rather than doing all that timetabling to improve staff wellbeing, they could just put you in the stocks spouting this nonsense and let us throw rotten tomatoes at you. It would improve morale no end.