Teachers given lie-ins and extra days off

[LaughingPig]

The Guardian is reporting today that state schools are offering perks in an attempt to attract and retain teachers. These include lie-ins, whereby teachers will start later one day a week, a day off each fortnight and even the chance to work from home.

Clearly there is an issue with getting enough high-quality teachers into the profession and keeping them there. However, I’m not sure how these initiatives will go down with taxpayers on the back of successive teachers’ strikes, schools closing for months during lockdown and now inflation-busting pay rises.

Would you be happy with your DC’s teacher arriving to school late after a relaxing lie-in or logging on from home?

YABU- teachers deserve lie-ins
YANBU- teachers should be in class teaching DC

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As a former teacher I am trying to think what would have to happen to tempt me back to the classroom. This wouldn't and I am not sure what would. I would be happy for my children's teachers to do this though if it meant having better teachers who want to be there and are qualified to deliver their subjects.

Cleaning the floor with the broom strapped to their arse while dishing up reheated dinners.

I remember those threads too.

This thread has been quite cheering to see that people aren't taking any of her shit this time.

I work in a high school and the teachers work really, really hard. The work load is just huge - and they are under immense pressure. They all care deeply and they all go many extra miles for the kids. In the private sector, that level of output would command higher salaries and way more perks. Those that love to complain about teachers have zero idea about the reality.

That simply is not true. I have worked in the a department for a decade teaching a subject that 'stays the same' ,curricular changes, exam changes , changes in learner needs, changes in what management want , 'ficuses', decolonisation the curriculum, changing activities for the different classes, differentiating. There is not a single year I have happily been able to pull out the stuff from the previous year and be done. Would bloody love if it was. I remeber my first few years working constantly and being assured by older colleagues in a few years I would have a bank of resources I could then rely on. Things have changed drastically in the past 7-8 years and that sort of thing doesn't fly. That is just me talking about ensuring your subject resources are up to date add in the actual teaching the marking, the photocopying, the administration, the meetings, the nonsense bureaucracy, you do not have enough hours to do it. Throw in an unexpected blip like a staff member being a bent, a child kicking off and it can throw your week off before you know it

No, obviously, not all can. The good ones can. It might mean moving jobs for promotion (like in every other field).

And anyway they have a lot less flexibility. Can’t choose when to take their holidays for one thing. Can’t leave early one day to attend their own child’s sports day.

OP dresses it up as “tax payers” and “hard working parents” not liking this notion, but I’m really curious to know why exactly she is so arsed about it?

Why do you care OP, how does it affect you?

Why do you know where your child's teacher lives that's really creepy. And why on earth would you judge someone on their curtains being closed? What if they're sick? Should they put up a piece of paper to make sure you know that's why their curtains are drawn? This is v strange.

These figures are not for a head of department or one off task, they would be a very significant additional role. Head of most subjects is c 3-5k extra.
I get a late start perk at my school, start at 9am rather than 8am(and still reach the limit for directed time during the year). Teachers are not having huge lie ins and earning 76k a year but tell yourself what you need to to keep up the teacher bashing

NO THEY DON’T

Its been pointed out that those roles are as rare as hens teeth they don’t exist at primary level at all, one poster pointed out that there are (I think they said) 5 of those roles in their whole county!

I love the fact that English is clearly just where full stops go. I am wondering what I've studied for 8 years.... Also, for what it's worth, English does change, but I would agree that it would probably be over a longer time than the usual teacher's career.

This has provided a much needed giggle this evening.

So you reckon only one in, say, 10 English teachers are ‘good’ do you?
As in other fields,being good, and being prepared to move, don’t guarantee promotions.

Teachers don’t teach every lesson, even in primary. What difference does it make if they do their planning at home or in school? Can’t remember exactly but it’s “protected time” or something. DH has tried to explain it many times but my eyes glaze over.

A friend of a friend is a primary head and he works from home either a day or morning a week (can’t remember which) so he can “spend more time with his wife”…I’ve no idea what that’s meant to mean 😂

MacDonald's have their own training progression system which any employee can apply for.

It seems that teaching isn't the only profession/job that you know nothing about.

God there are some people talking utter shite on this thread aren't there. The teachers I know work way way harder than I do in my office job and frankly anything that keeps teachers in post is a good idea. The turnover at my kids school is pretty high and I don't blame teachers at all for that. It's a tough job

I remember when the DfE had that get into teaching ad that said that great teachers could earn up to £65k but no one could find anyone actually doing it.

Some of these salaries that teachers can allegedly earn are insane.

I work in a big all- through school (not London). The only people earning 60k+ are SLT.

We do have a lead prac in post. They don't earn anything like what @LaughingPig thinks they do.

There isn't a single TLR that adequately compensates for the extra hours and responsibility that you take on. But you need to do them to get to management.

I earn an extra 2k a year for a role working across two schools. Hour for hour my pay has gone down.

I always read these threads and wonder why, if so many people think teachers have it so easy, why people don't retrain en masse.

I mean, if it's that easy, the pay is so good and the conditions comparable to other jobs (or even favourable in comparison) why are the people who are so critical not retraining? If not just just the holiday alone?

It's no where near enough to tempt me back! The decade long pay freeze is a lesson I won't forget easily!

Imagine pulling someone up on their maths and then announcing to the world just how ignorant you are about how many schools operate. How embarrassing for you.

Its also worth mentioning that the pay scales in many schools have been split into segments. So it could take you 4 years to get from M1 - M2 etc. as you could go through M1 > M1a >M1b>M1c >M2. then so on to M6.

How many people do you think in other fields get promoted?

Does every bank employee end up being a branch manager?

Does every checkout person end up managing a Supermarket?

If all you are is a standard teacher, you can't expect a management salary.

I don't think this is the answer, and how dare they fine parents for taking kids out of school if they're offering this as a perk. The answer is simple, pay them more and provide more support. I know teachers and they would much rather this than an extra hour in bed ffs.