Teachers given lie-ins and extra days off

[LaughingPig]

The Guardian is reporting today that state schools are offering perks in an attempt to attract and retain teachers. These include lie-ins, whereby teachers will start later one day a week, a day off each fortnight and even the chance to work from home.

Clearly there is an issue with getting enough high-quality teachers into the profession and keeping them there. However, I’m not sure how these initiatives will go down with taxpayers on the back of successive teachers’ strikes, schools closing for months during lockdown and now inflation-busting pay rises.

Would you be happy with your DC’s teacher arriving to school late after a relaxing lie-in or logging on from home?

YABU- teachers deserve lie-ins
YANBU- teachers should be in class teaching DC

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@LaughingPig Are you serious? Oh give over this ‘tax payers’ shite.

We need good teachers they all work their arses off, seriously they are some of the hardest longest houred working people I know.

Christ it really is a race to bottom.

I never usually go for an advanced search gotcha but the OP claimed that her DH was a headteacher in this thread last week: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5163658-to-not-go-on-the-residential?reply=138229533

Has he changed jobs since last Thursday or is the OP a goady fucker? Answers on a postcard.

Feel free to delete me for troll-hunting, MNHQ, but maybe also have a look at the OP’s nonsense too.

Think about it, in any school only a minority of teachers have rhose extra responsibility points. And it's up to £16k. Most responsibility points get you less than half that for a lot of work.

If you think the pay is so generous, please do consider a career in teaching - we need more teachers.

It is easy to sort out timetabling for secondary. Not all teachers will have a lie-in which seems to be op obsession. Some will leave early.

no lessons will be on zoom, class meets or teams. It will be like PPA time in primary

@MultiplaLight

There is the opportunity for leading practitioners to earn over £85,000 for a classroom teaching role in London.

I’m a teacher in a private school- tonight I left school at 7:40 pm. I’d stayed to mark 64 essays.

On Tuesday I was in school at 6:45am. Tomorrow I’ll go in later- for 9am when I start teaching as I’m dropping the dog off at daycare. I sometimes work from home during my ppa, or even do something else at that time and do my work at a different time.

Frankly, if parents have an issue with that I don’t care. I’m a professional who works extremely hard and I do a good job- parents have no right to micromanage my working schedule. Thankfully they don’t seem to mind. Flexibility is needed in state schools as well.

Your post is confusing. I can’t tell if you are for or against teachers. I am a teacher and was pointing out to the OP that there is nothing wrong with spending our PPA time, which is during the school week, at home.

The opportunity.....

The word opportunity is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

Just like there's the "opportunity" for a lie in. Which will be PPA at home.

You see, this is what I think.

These include lie-ins, whereby teachers will start later one day a week, a day off each fortnight and even the chance to work from home
I have no issue with this if the later start was before a PPA or the WFH was from lunch if followed by a PPA but the main issue I'd have with this is if cover supervisors or LSAs were expected to pick up any slack.
Support staff get paid very little as it's pro-rated and no progression after you are at the top of your spine. Union guidelines say for cover supervisors we aren't meant to cover absences longer than two weeks. I've acted as a stopgap before but have stopped that now. I would be refusing to take regular forms or regular single lessons if caused by flexible working: it would need to be organised properly and equitable. As the timetables are hellish to sort in the first place, I'd be curious as to how staff all have their needs catered for.

@miniaturepixieonacid are you moving to State? Or on balance not?

As for the TPS (teacher's pension scheme) that is quite the benefit. At least some of the teachers at my kids (private) school are still in it - contributions have just increased from something like 24-27/28%! (In my previous job employer contributions were 5%, I've been looking at other jobs and that can go up to 10% but rare beyond that and obviously not final salary - so there's no guarantee that the money to save in the scheme will be worth more at the end).

If anyone wants a window into why our taxes disappear, look no further than state-funded civil service pensions. Usually (for all state school teachers in the scheme) the tax payer picks up that massive % contribution for a guaranteed pay out (final salary scheme) - multiply that by everyone whose ever had a civil service pension (inc.teachers) and add in the ability to retire in your 50s but live decades longer and you'll see why we are struggling as a country to afford to pay for everything we need. (I'm unsure whether it's still the case but the conservatives used to display data on total tax spend on 'welfare' but were less forthcoming that that number included not only the state pension but also every civil service pension. Not sure whether it's still done this way (CBA to look if I'm honest.)

Where are you getting this info???
I do have extra responsibility-senco-I get an extra 2k a year…barely 80 quid a month. Are you on the teacher hater forums?
seriously educate yourself-I’m actually howling at how wrong you are. I wish I did live in your world with these wages-happy days!!

@ThanksItHasPockets

DH is a headteacher but what he does or doesn’t do for a living has no relevance to this thread.

He does work ‘near’ a school car park- his office overlooks it.

Don’t tell me what I know when you evidently haven’t got a clue. Google and ChatGPT random stat generator doesn’t make you knowledgable.

I’m not engaging any more as your posts are nonsense.

Yes, but it comes with extra responsibilities. Are you a teacher? Seems unlikely. I am. UPS teachers are required to do more, and with no extra time to do it. And many schools won’t pay it anyway because they don’t have the money. It’s only theoretically t(e top of the scale now. Many, possibly most, teachers will not get it unless things change b

I’m a higher rate tax payer and totally agree that teachers should be offered some flexibility when working and I think that in the absence of increasing wages then these sort of benefits should be offered to attract and keep people in jobs. Lesson prep can be done from home, allow teachers who are parents to be able to take their own kids to school/pick them up. I have absolutely no issue with this because presenteeism never benefitted anyone (except micro managers!)

Why would the public see teachers as shirking... they don't know every individual's start and finish time! Parents shouldn't know the teacher's home addresses to check up on whether they are out of bed in the morning. You keep peddling the same nonsense about this. If the lessons are being covered, which they would have to be- then if a teacher who doesn't start work until 10am is having a lie in then who is bothered about that?

By your own admission, the government need to make teaching more attractive and retain staff without giving them a pay rise- is this not a way?

I’ve been a teacher since 1988. Please don’t try to tell me how it works.

Oh come on, you're making this up now! If he was a Headteacher he would've been able to put you straight on quite a bit of the nonsense you are spouting.

Is he aye?

Pants on fire.

With your shitty, entitled attitude I’m sure there’s a few kids you are raising with the same disrespect you have shown here. Maybe get a degree and start your teacher training. Be careful not to close your curtains though - you never know which nutty parent may be watching.

Ahhhhh…so now your post makes sense.
Your dear hubby is obviously one of those delightful headteachers who views his staff as robots and is now absolutely raging at the possibility of guidance allowing a little bit of flexibility and kindness..and the possible changes he may have to make to ensure a little bit of wellbeing….ok

Of course it's relevant. You're saying you wouldn't want him to have a lie in on some days, go in work a bit later in case the local parents get annoyed? He worries if the curtains are closed in case a hard working tax payer wanders by?

And, if he has a problem with the car park emptying by 4pm, surely he can do something about it? He's the head! Running the school is what he's paid for isn't it?

Have you done timetabling? Absolutely not easy to do. In ours, we struggle to accommodate the part-time staff requests we have for the days they want - they get their p/t but preferred days requested cannot always be honoured.
Then add in the sharing of classes and forms and it becomes more inconsistent for the students. Multiply multiple requests across all staff and it's going to be bloody difficult to make it work.