to think that putting explosives in devices such as pagers and walkie talkies can lead to indiscriminate injuries and killings

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Let's get the first thing out of the way - it's not right to fire missiles and rockets at people - as that can cause indiscriminate injuries as well.

Putting explosives in devices such as pagers and walkie talkies - it sounds clever. Just send a signal and an explosion goes off potentially injuring and killing your opponent who has it. It will also disrupt communication methods.

But once you put the explosive in it, you lose control of where it goes and when it gets blown up. It could be a child has it. It could be on a plane - and might not be picked up by security.

You don't know where it ends up. Which means that it has the potential for unintended consequences.

What about any that didn't go off? Are there objects that have been booby trapped and are just potentially waiting to explode - and who knows where they are? The thing about booby traps is that you just don't know who will set them off.

Booby traps seem to be against the International Humanitarian Law if they can injure civillians.

Customary IHL - Rule 80. Booby-Traps (icrc.org)

Have you seen the videos of the explosions? When I first read about it, I did assume the effects would be like a hand grenade going off, and could cause a lot of damage to anyone nearby.

But seeing the videos, the explosions are tiny. There's one taken on supermarket CCTV, and a man who's standing literally a foot away is completely unharmed. Honestly, I do recommend watching the videos. It was as targeted and careful as it's possible to be. You can see the reaction of bystanders, there was no panic and barely even concern about what had just happened. I don't think they even realised that a small bomb had just gone off.

That didn’t happen though did it. It was a precise targeting of terrorists

I guess the question is: did they use British money to pay for it or even British devices to do it?

Well stating the obvious but yes that is what they are doing, this is not a surprise

That number is probably an overestimate

https://www.cfr.org/blog/un-halves-its-estimate-women-and-children-killed-gaza

regardless Israel should of course be scrutinised as should any other country or peoples engaged in conflict. Like hamas, like hezbollah.

Criticising the methods employed by the Israeli government is not siding with terrorists. No government should be above criticism or their actions being scrutinised.
Accusing people of being terrorists sympathisers is a very serious accusation; one which shouldn't been made lightly.

I literally posted links to the rape proof above. It's video and medical evidence. Irrefutable. Don't pretend you haven't seen it- though I'm sure you'll find some way to explain it away.

If someone held a gun to my head and I had a gun in my hand I'd aim it at them and shoot, even if there was someone standing behind them.

I think there are similarities here.

Nobody wants innocent children to die. That's horrible.

War is messy and it's very difficult to attack your enemy and avoid any civilian casualties at all, as evidenced by the fact that nobody has ever been able to do this in any war in the history of the planet.

I don't think the poor child who died was the intended victim.

I do think targeting pagers is more humane than dropping bombs as it will avoid many many more civilian casualties.

Do you know the difference between a charge and a conviction? This is a press report about the IDF charging someone (note it is the IDF taking action against one of their own which suggests something about the stance towards bad apples, you’d hope!).

if you’re interested in why calling supporters of Israel ‘inhuman’ is problematic, I’d suggest you do Balance out some of your reading with an exploration of what blood libel is and what the pogroms were like. This gives a horrible but accurate insight : https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-martyr-made-podcast/id978322714?i=1000637191123

What propaganda. Some very select videos show this. The rest show mass chaos. Killing of civilians. Thousands injured. Hundreds requiring surgery. Mass panic and terror and despair.

You did not post links to any proof? You seem to misunderstand the basics of law.

There's video evidence of these soldiers raping a Palestinian. He died of his injuries. But sure, keep the dream alive that it comes to nothing.

Then why is Israel still a member?

And that's true. When you drop a bomb or use a drone, you have control and you are aware of where the target is and what potential civilian casualties might occur.

Do you agree with that?

I'm just talking about what happened with the pagers, not what has been happening in Gaza.

Lol I am a lawyer. You are delusional in your desperation. Previous poster was right to not waste her time engaging in good faith.

Yes, I too am talking about Lebanon. Look up any news site- eg the New York Times.

I will never be embarrassed for denouncing a genocide. There are countless accounts of Palestinians being raped and tortured. I am a rape survivor and I’m not interested in linking genuinely triggering content when it is very easy to look for it yourself. Believe what you want, it says more about you than it does me. Pathetic.

No I do not agree with you on this at all.

The ratio as put in a pp doesn't support your argument

How?

Would you like to suggest this to Hezbollah? I don't think that all those rockets are intended to merely brighten up the night sky...

Law of averages would make it unlikely that no male Israeli soldiers have ever raped anyone. Bet the female soldiers haven’t tho.

But there is no evidence that there is a particular issue with rape in the IDF. In fact there is generally good treatment of women in the IDF and Israeli society in general has reasonably good equality between the sexes (legions ahead of any other country in the region).

So you don't agree that when you drop a bomb or use a drone, that you at least know where your target is and have a good idea of the potential casualties?

who were the thousands? These were issued to hezbollah so yes I would expect thousand’s of hezbollah members to be injured. You are making it sound like thousands of bystanders were injured. Please go ahead and post these videos.

We both know the answer to your question.