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To ask if you’ve ever become obsessed with a murder case?

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sheknoedidhitit · 16/09/2024 20:26

I was watching a true crime podcast on YouTube and it finished and went to a random suggestion and it was a 2 minute video of a crime scene inside a subway from the 80s on an ordinary news channel.

I looked into the case and there’s nothing on it apart from a one column blurb in the newspaper at the time and the victims photo being sold on Amazon. It’s so weird .. and I can’t stop thinking about it.

Anyone else?

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Thistooshallpass24 · 17/09/2024 09:34

There are some very dumb things said on this thread, several ppl mentioned are missing and not a murder case.
Would you be happy if it was someone you knew being discussed as a "favourite murderer case" when the are legally a missing person
Maybe ppl should think before replying?
Yes I can not read this, hide it or whatever but it's still shitty behaviour of certain posters.

Charmatt · 17/09/2024 09:38

StMarieforme · 17/09/2024 09:33

Notts?

Yes - the family never got closure because he pleaded guilty and wouldn't tell them why. He then killed himself in jail and her mother felt that he's taken the coward's way out.

It was the first case ever to be featured on Crimewatch and it profoundly changed the village.

MyStylish40s · 17/09/2024 09:41

I can’t find the post now so can’t quote, but just wanted to say that in the video where Chris Watts discovers that Shannan is pregnant with their 3rd child, I don’t think he looks happy at all. I think he’s clearly acting for the camera.

ChickAndTheDuck · 17/09/2024 09:41

MyStylish40s · 17/09/2024 09:41

I can’t find the post now so can’t quote, but just wanted to say that in the video where Chris Watts discovers that Shannan is pregnant with their 3rd child, I don’t think he looks happy at all. I think he’s clearly acting for the camera.

Yes I think that too, he looks very uncomfortable and trying his hardest to look happy but it was very obvious that he wasn't.

Sharontheodopolodous · 17/09/2024 09:44

katseyes7 · 17/09/2024 00:10

Several people have mentioned it, but the Claudia Lawrence case still sticks in my mind.
I moved to York 12 years ago, three years after she went missing, and there was still a 'Missing Person' poster of her in Waitrose at the time.
I didn't realise for a while, but l didn't live far from her home, my local post office was the one she was seen at on CCTV the day before she disappeared, posting a letter. Also l used to drive past her house to go to and from work, but that didn't register with me until much later on.
That's a busy road, and often l'd be in traffic and my eye was always drawn by the green door. It was a bit of a shock when l realised why. I actually lived very close to the route she took to and from the college.
Unfortunately l don't think we'll ever find out what happened to her. I'm pretty sure some people (and the police) know, but the evidence isn't there, and supposedly there was a 'wall of silence' in the area. One tv journalist said he was 'warned off' in her local pub.

My parents live between her house and the uni (just up the road to the working mens club/shell garage) and I used to live further down (a street off melrosegate,just a bit further down from hull road/tang hall park)

My ds lives around the corner to her

I was a bridesmaid at the church on the corner,I think there may be a photo of her standing where I stood at a wedding

I've drank in the nags head (as an underage teen but looked a lot older)

My father was walking her route (but from the other way) that morning at the same time (he's not a creep,he was taking a parcel to ds's flat in heworth as ds needed it and was on way home from a night shift) and should have seen her pass him if she had made it that far,but saw nothing

He would have remembered her as he normally didn't see anyone-he did ring the police but nobody got back to him and then it was said she'd been seen talking to a man on melrosegate Bridge near the church and again on the grounds (it's weird to think I used to use my sledge there as a kid)

My ex was her bin man,and it took them almost 6 years to interview him as he had done her bins the morning before (i think-it could have been the morning she disappeared)

It took them a while to check the alleyway behind her house too (although they may have checked at the time but I saw it years later on the news,around the time my ex was going for his interview)

And why did that car stop where it did?the traffic lights are a lot further down the street near the church

And the van near the chip shop that was just sat there?

the man caught on cctv,stood waiting until people passed (although a lot of men I know would have done the same to allow females to walk past without feeling threatened)

It's very strange to see an area I know so well on the tv,I've used that post office to collect my child benefit,the shops to pick up basics,the pizza shop for a cheeky dinner,was a nanny at the house behind the shops and my best friend still lives just down the road to the shops

StMarieforme · 17/09/2024 09:46

Mumandcarer80 · 16/09/2024 23:51

Some cases get more attention than others for some reason.

This little girl never gets mentioned. I remember reading about this case in a newspaper. Social workers were too scared to go to their flat. Imagine how scared that little girl was being tortured and starved.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2002/sep/21/childrensservices.childprotection1

My eldest son is in the emergency services. He often makes a safeguarding referral that a colleague wouldn't bother with. He told me he never wants to be responsible for a missed opportunity. So heartbreaking that so many reported concerns have gone unheeded. RIP little one.

katseyes7 · 17/09/2024 10:02

Sharontheodopolodous
I lived in one of the blocks in Olympian Court, which is just off Hull Road, and very close to the crossroads for Melrosegate/Tang Hall Club and the Shell garage, and l worked at Monks Cross at the time, so l travelled to and from work that way.
It's so weird, when l moved there (I'm from Northumberland) it didn't even occur to me until l saw the poster in Waitrose and then things started to click with me.
I'm pretty sure the police know who's responsible, but they don't have enough evidence, and people aren't talking. Someone MUST know. I reckon they do.

KimberleyClark · 17/09/2024 10:09

The JFK assassination if that counts.

Norma27 · 17/09/2024 10:17

I was at uni with a young woman called Isabel peake- not sure on spelling. She was coming home for weekend from France and was thrown off a train. Think about it often. Her killer sid rozales- again not sure of spelling - was caught and killed himself in a Portuguese prison. He killed 2 or 3 women and I think would have killed many more if not caught.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 17/09/2024 10:18

Thistooshallpass24 · 17/09/2024 09:34

There are some very dumb things said on this thread, several ppl mentioned are missing and not a murder case.
Would you be happy if it was someone you knew being discussed as a "favourite murderer case" when the are legally a missing person
Maybe ppl should think before replying?
Yes I can not read this, hide it or whatever but it's still shitty behaviour of certain posters.

This is why this thread needs to be moved to the True Crime board, people always moan about threads like these. You can always hide it as you say as you can't police what others say.

Thistooshallpass24 · 17/09/2024 10:20

I find true crime interesting, but some ppl are chatting shit about ppl who until a body has been found are legally missing not a murder case! So therefore should be removed

ellebelli · 17/09/2024 10:24

Suzuki70 · 16/09/2024 20:37

Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon in Panama. There is no way they got lost. I've read books/watched documentaries/scoured Reddit.

Also the Delphi murders. I'm amazed they caught him.

This came up on a wonderful thread on here about unsolved mysteries.
I had never heard od the two girls but quickly became fascinated by the case.
It's definitely strange and the calls and photos only add to it.

Octopies · 17/09/2024 10:26

Kathleen Peterson and the staircase, the trial and forensic evidence is just so confusing to me.

Sharontheodopolodous · 17/09/2024 10:28

The red shoe murder (york,21st sept,1946)

A little girl,Norma Dale (4) went out to play and never came home

Something to do with dropping by an aunts house but they didn't stay as Norma's mum wanted to go home as she had fabric to make a skirt and she wanted to make a start on it

If they'd stayed at the aunts house for that cuppa tea,Norma wouldn't have gone out to play at that time

They found her body and a red shoe but never caught who did it (the shoe lives in the black museum in london)

My father says they left it too long to call in Scotland Yard and it had been raining
unusually hard for that time of year

My father thinks she'd heard something she shouldn't have done and had to be kept quiet

My best friend used to live next door to the house Norma lived in and I'm related to her through my aunt

I remember my father telling me about it-I'd just bought my (then) 4 year old dd some red shoes as I thought they where pretty and a change to black-that sent shivers down my spine

A book has been written,but not published as the writers of the book,named who they think is the killer

Norma27 · 17/09/2024 10:30

Swingoutsistersledge2 · 16/09/2024 23:48

Arthur Labinjo Jones. One of the most heartbreaking news stories. He is still in my thoughts to this day . RIP Arthur xxx

I know people who were trying to save him. It’s absolutely heartbreaking.

Norma27 · 17/09/2024 10:42

I know I seem to have known loads but 2 young boys went missing by me on Boxing Day years ago. Called the milk carton boys as first to have their disappearance in milk cartons. I used to drink with a man who later went to prison for a murder in the 60s and he seems prime suspect for them. Brian Field is that murderer. Only caught for the other boy as caught drunk driving and the dna linked him

AGirlInACountrySong · 17/09/2024 11:02

@Sharontheodopolodous

I went to the Black Museum once. You had to be a serving police officer and there was a long waiting list. It was very interesting!

I was leaning again a bath tub exhibit....turned out it was the bath Neilson had dismembered his victims in 🤢

Hotdogsarevile · 17/09/2024 11:15

TheTwirlyPoos · 16/09/2024 21:14

Not an unsolved case but Star Hobson. I first read about the court case when I was sat in hospital with a broken arm and I became absolutely obsessed. Read the court transcripts every day. For months I thought of her every day. It's less now but still frequently. The horror of it all.

I cried and cried at this case, Star looked a bit like my DD who was the same age at the time. The thought of my own DD being so scared had me in tears every time I read anything about it. My DH eventually told me to stop - it was the right thing to do as it was consuming me 😢

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 17/09/2024 11:29

Not "modern" murder cases no, but historic ones yes! Charles Bravo, Edmundbury Godfrey, Maria Marten etc etc. all fascinate me.

Sharontheodopolodous · 17/09/2024 11:56

katseyes7 · 17/09/2024 10:02

Sharontheodopolodous
I lived in one of the blocks in Olympian Court, which is just off Hull Road, and very close to the crossroads for Melrosegate/Tang Hall Club and the Shell garage, and l worked at Monks Cross at the time, so l travelled to and from work that way.
It's so weird, when l moved there (I'm from Northumberland) it didn't even occur to me until l saw the poster in Waitrose and then things started to click with me.
I'm pretty sure the police know who's responsible, but they don't have enough evidence, and people aren't talking. Someone MUST know. I reckon they do.

My parents live up the road to you

I remember them being built

I know monks cross very well-i prefer the shopping there,rather than the city centre

(I moved away a few years ago and I follow the case)

Someone knows something but due to loyality/marriage/friendship/fear/god only knows what,they've kept their mouths shut

A woman cannot walk to work and just vanish into thin air

I admit the case was badly handled-they claimed her love life was 'complex' and she was seeing people 'you wouldn't expect from a woman of her class'

I think that's when people lost sympathy and and urge to help-shes a 'posh slapper' who was a 'marriage wrecker' so she didn't deserve any help or justice

So wrong-if she'd been a man,the same lines would have either never been written/spoken or it would have been laughed at

It didn't matter what she did in her personal life,that was her business,what matters is,a young 35 year old woman walked to work and vanished

I pray she's alive but I lost hope ages ago-theres a lot of open land in york and a lot of building work happening at the uni at the time

Some people think she's under one of the buildings that where being built at the time

katseyes7 · 17/09/2024 12:05

*Sharontheodopolodous *
I only lived in York for a year, but you're right, there was a lot of building work going on at the time, all over the city.
And l agree, the impression the police gave of her tainted the case (and l speak as ex police) - I suspect gave people a very skewed idea of the person she was. If it had been a man, that would either never have been mentioned, or only very briefly. It would never have impacted the investigation the way it did.
Also, her mother said that on the photo they used initially, her hair colour was wrong. I wonder who provided that photograph?
Purely my take on it, but l wonder if she was actually walking to work along Melrosegate - as you said there were at least two vehicles seen either stopping or stationary near her home around the time she'd be leaving for work which have never been traced. And she'd been picked up on the post office CCTV the afternoon before, so if she was, she never got that far, because she wasn't seen on the footage of the next morning when she disappeared..
I suspect either someone she knew offered her a lift, or she was snatched on the street near her house. I still think someone known to her was involved, though.

ellebelli · 17/09/2024 12:19

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All cases involving children get to me but james bulger, baby Peter and more recently Arthur labinjo hughes really stick in my mind and upset me.

thoonerismspread · 17/09/2024 12:40

If nobody was interested, we'd not have anyone trying to help find answers.

MOPs have been involved in the solving of many, many crimes, passed vital information, even outright found the solution. And as a PP said, we are wired to find solutions-if we weren't, we'd already have become extinct.

Far from 'ghoulish' in my opinion. We need to be interested. Of course be respectful, but if one of my loved ones was a victim I'd damn well want people talking about it.

Swanbeauty · 17/09/2024 12:43

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