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DH says he feels like a “mug” and I take advantage

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IneffableCat · 16/09/2024 13:38

I’ll be brief. A couple of times per year (once or twice) I stay overnight in a hotel with girlfriends which I love doing and it gives me a break. I also see friends for meals out, theatre shows or cinema etc every few months. There’s been a good few comments from my parents in front of DH along the lines of “poor DH, being left to look after the children again while Mum goes out gallivanting!”

A few weeks ago I had a night in London, saw a show and caught up with friends. DH knew about the plan for months in advance and stated that he “didn’t care” what I did. After the comments he said how it’s obvious that I treat him like a “sap” and a “mug” How I’m walking all over him and dumping the kids on him AGAIN.

I’ve got a show booked for a weeks time and told DH about it today and he said again how he was being taken for a mug again and that I should have told him sooner. This is a show in my home town so I’ll only be gone for a few hours.

The friends I see are all child free and my mum has commented that it’s ok for them to go out as they don’t have children. That I need more friends with kids. AIBU?

DH does nothing outside the house, has no interest in a social life or outside hobbies.

OP posts:
cansu · 16/09/2024 18:08

Sounds like you are just different people. You like to socialuse and he doesn't.of course you should go out and see friends. If he chooses to stay in all the time then that's up to him.

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 16/09/2024 18:10

confusedlots · 16/09/2024 13:51

It sounds a lot to me, but others may well disagree. If my DH was heading away for overnights either friends a couple of times a year just for fun and with no specific purpose, I'd feel a bit left out and forgotten about to be honest. Why aren't you doing these things with him? My DH has been on the odd stag do weekend (most of his friends are married already so there hasn't been that many) and he travels occasionally with work, but apart from that I can't think that he's been away overnight any other times in the 10 years we've been married.

I've had an overnight spa weekend with friends to celebrate our big birthdays, travelled to a different part of the UK to visit a close friend for a weekend when she was going through a difficult time, and been on a hen weekend, but I can't recall any other times I've been away overnight without DH and/or kids, and it would be the same for my other married friends who have families.

What do you do when your husband goes out to work- do you also struggle and feel forgotten and cofnused? Would you know what to do with yourself if your partner went away for a day? Do you think married couples are joined by a hip and need to do everything together?
I love theatre, my partner does not. He loves gaming, I do not. Id think it's normal to assume that most adult people can occupy themselves for a few hours/a day without having to hold their partner's hands, it's realy a bit much to be this needy to feel 'forgotten' if your other half wants to see mates a few times a year.

UghFletcher · 16/09/2024 18:12

I do more nights out with the PTA than any childless friends I have. Tell your DP it's not the 1950's any more and parents are allowed a life. Tell DH he is 50% responsible for his children, 2 nights away is 0.005%, and he can fuck off back to the stone ages. being taken for a mug he is not.

Jesus wept

Runnerinthenight · 16/09/2024 18:23

EI12 · 16/09/2024 14:38

Life is so short, time with our loved ones is so precious, I would never swap my precious time with my dh and dc for a show or catching up with friends. There is a time to scatter and a time to gather - I enjoyed tremendously shows, concerts, exhibitions when I was single, now I either enjoy them with my family or I don't go - I view every attempt of my child-free friends to invite me out as an attempt on my previous time with my family. I work, husband works, dc at school, we don't get anywhere near enough time together - and now dc are at uni, doing their own thing. I would have regretted deeply if I traded half an hour with my family, dc playing snakes and ladders, dh watching telly with a cuppa, for the best show/play away from them with my friends.

That's bizarre and deeply regressive. Emmeline Pankhurst, eat your heart out! She's probably turning in her grave!

Time with family is precious but so is time with friends. You will get your children to adulthood and you will have no friendships because you didn't take any time to nurture them while you were all-consumed by your children and your husband, who never needed that level of intensity.

FFS how would you even remember half an hour of snakes and ladders anyway? So much of child-rearing is mundane and unmemorable!

I didn't go away overnight until the kids were much older and I look back and wish I had!

Runnerinthenight · 16/09/2024 18:25

UghFletcher · 16/09/2024 18:12

I do more nights out with the PTA than any childless friends I have. Tell your DP it's not the 1950's any more and parents are allowed a life. Tell DH he is 50% responsible for his children, 2 nights away is 0.005%, and he can fuck off back to the stone ages. being taken for a mug he is not.

Jesus wept

It was the PTA that re-established my social life too. We had some great nights out!

Thepeopleversuswork · 16/09/2024 18:36

@Runnerinthenight

Time with family is precious but so is time with friends. You will get your children to adulthood and you will have no friendships because you didn't take any time to nurture them while you were all-consumed by your children and your husband, who never needed that level of intensity.

This exactly.

What do all the My Little Family people think will happen when their kids hit their teens and won’t want anything to do with them? Or leave home to go to university, start an apprenticeship or get married?

How will they feel when they wake up from 15 years of self imposed isolation to find their friends have all abandoned them. Because My Little Family.

How do they think their children will deal with the guilt at leaving you when you have put every single egg in this basket? And how do you think they will start to build their own social networks when they finally leave home and have absolutely no social skills because their parents shut the world out and had no friends?

As you rightly say it’s deeply regressive. Also self sabotaging and a really poor example to children. But bizarrely fashionable these days.

Itsmeamandaberry · 16/09/2024 18:39

confusedlots · 16/09/2024 13:51

It sounds a lot to me, but others may well disagree. If my DH was heading away for overnights either friends a couple of times a year just for fun and with no specific purpose, I'd feel a bit left out and forgotten about to be honest. Why aren't you doing these things with him? My DH has been on the odd stag do weekend (most of his friends are married already so there hasn't been that many) and he travels occasionally with work, but apart from that I can't think that he's been away overnight any other times in the 10 years we've been married.

I've had an overnight spa weekend with friends to celebrate our big birthdays, travelled to a different part of the UK to visit a close friend for a weekend when she was going through a difficult time, and been on a hen weekend, but I can't recall any other times I've been away overnight without DH and/or kids, and it would be the same for my other married friends who have families.

My husband goes camping multiple times a year, he's been away for a city break with me and a motor bike weekend in the UK. More than I have been away this year. Am I feeling left out or unwanted? 100% no because I'm not child. I'm glad he is able to have a good time. Next year it looks like I will be away more than him and he again is 100% ok with it.

Itsmeamandaberry · 16/09/2024 18:40

amothersinstinct · 16/09/2024 14:02

It's not twice a year though is it ....

  1. A couple of times per year I stay in a hotel
  1. Every few months I see friends for theatre shows cinema meals out
  1. A few weeks ago I had a night in London
  1. I've got a show booked for a weeks time

That's not a lot.

Phineyj · 16/09/2024 18:47

By all accounts Emmeline Pankhurst had a great social life 😂.

OP, I think your parents need to butt out here and DH should probably think very seriously about how he'd cope looking after your disabled child 50% of the time.

I thought the suggestion to check how many hours he's actually logged on the gaming consoles is a good one! Data, that's what you need.

Runnerinthenight · 16/09/2024 19:09

Phineyj · 16/09/2024 18:47

By all accounts Emmeline Pankhurst had a great social life 😂.

OP, I think your parents need to butt out here and DH should probably think very seriously about how he'd cope looking after your disabled child 50% of the time.

I thought the suggestion to check how many hours he's actually logged on the gaming consoles is a good one! Data, that's what you need.

Go Emmeline!! 😂

MrsSunshine2b · 16/09/2024 19:28

WiddlinDiddlin · 16/09/2024 16:52

How the hell is 2 of anything 'quite a lot'?

2 is a small number, in practical terms, in numbers of days away or weekends away, you can't get a lot less than that, the options are 1 or none...

There are very few circumstances where two is 'quite a lot' - perhaps if we were talking luxury yachts or multimillion pound lottery wins, maybe.

I think every 6 months for an overnight stay is quite a lot, especially considering the other nights out OP goes on. My DH travels for work about twice a year and it's quite disruptive, I think I'd be a bit annoyed if he did that out of choice at the same frequency. I've been on 2 hen weekends since my daughter was born, and I've also had the odd work trip. We live rurally, DH is the only one that drives currently so when he's not around it's hard for DD and I to get anywhere, and it usually takes a lot of logistics to work out DD getting to school etc. We both see friends but very rarely overnight and usually we go together and get a babysitter.

As I said, if OP's OH is free to do the same then I don't think it's unfair, but I also think it depends on the children's ages.

SecondFavouriteDinosaur · 16/09/2024 19:30

MrsSunshine2b · 16/09/2024 19:28

I think every 6 months for an overnight stay is quite a lot, especially considering the other nights out OP goes on. My DH travels for work about twice a year and it's quite disruptive, I think I'd be a bit annoyed if he did that out of choice at the same frequency. I've been on 2 hen weekends since my daughter was born, and I've also had the odd work trip. We live rurally, DH is the only one that drives currently so when he's not around it's hard for DD and I to get anywhere, and it usually takes a lot of logistics to work out DD getting to school etc. We both see friends but very rarely overnight and usually we go together and get a babysitter.

As I said, if OP's OH is free to do the same then I don't think it's unfair, but I also think it depends on the children's ages.

I guess it’s all relative. My DH travels for work every week, so twice a year to do something fun with his friends is nothing. I have more than 2 nights a year away with friends, and my DH actively encourages it because I pick up more of the slack at home generally due to him often being away for work.

IneffableCat · 16/09/2024 19:30

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 16/09/2024 17:04

But equally the OP can’t just assume carte blanche to say yes to everything then present each agreed arrangement as a fait accompli to her husband. If he is internally / secretly a bit upset or hurt that he’s unable to find friends or make friendships as easily as the OP, her assumption that it’ll always be fine because he’s always around might make him feel like he’s being taken advantage of.

DH does have lots of friends left over from uni/school/old jobs etc. He’s got quite a few WhatsApp groups where they send each other videos, chat daily and online game together. They are all mostly rubbish about actually meeting in person 😂

OP posts:
MadrisaHorn · 16/09/2024 19:35

I wouldn't be able to stick him with that attitude.

He clearly thinks you are 'lesser' than him.

LTB and go 50/50 for care

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 16/09/2024 19:37

MrsSunshine2b · 16/09/2024 19:28

I think every 6 months for an overnight stay is quite a lot, especially considering the other nights out OP goes on. My DH travels for work about twice a year and it's quite disruptive, I think I'd be a bit annoyed if he did that out of choice at the same frequency. I've been on 2 hen weekends since my daughter was born, and I've also had the odd work trip. We live rurally, DH is the only one that drives currently so when he's not around it's hard for DD and I to get anywhere, and it usually takes a lot of logistics to work out DD getting to school etc. We both see friends but very rarely overnight and usually we go together and get a babysitter.

As I said, if OP's OH is free to do the same then I don't think it's unfair, but I also think it depends on the children's ages.

How is this disruptive to you? If you dont have a driving license, why not getone and have to rely on your husband forever?
Does it not tempt to be a bit independent in case if something ever happens and there will not be anyone to ferry both of you arround?
If you had a choice and a driving license, would you be more likely to go out, but you dont so it annoys you if your husband gets to travel stuff and you're stuck at home? in which case it would really be so worth it learning to drive.Because otherwise it seems you being stuck is a personal choice.

ZaraCC · 16/09/2024 19:39

amothersinstinct · 16/09/2024 13:42

Does he go out as well with his friends? I guess if my husband was out on overnights with children friends regularly I'd get a bit 😳

Why? Does he have to be joined at the hip with you at all times? Being married does not make you stop being an individual person. Comments like yours are so depressing.

Fastback · 16/09/2024 19:41

LOL at the posters mirroring what the judgy twat parents and H say.

It’s not the OP’s fault her H is a boring twat reclusive gamer. She hardly goes out and she should be free to do so, as she is an adult.

Fuck sake.

badgerpatrol · 16/09/2024 19:45

I'm shocked at the attitude that a man "looking after" (cos let's face it the evening 'shift' is the easy bit) his own children is "being a mug"!

Are you sure he's on his computer gaming and not on those red pill sites?

ZaraCC · 16/09/2024 19:45

Firstly, you need to tell your parents it is none of their business.

Secondly, think of it this way...You want someone you love to be happy. If you see that person has a hard time in many way, doesn't have much time to themselves due to caring etc, surely you do everything in your power to make things easier on them and ensure they get some happiness for themselves...

The fact that your husband would rather you be downtrodden and not have those times that for you bring enjoyment...tells you everything you need to know about his character.

ZaraCC · 16/09/2024 19:47

MrsSunshine2b · 16/09/2024 19:28

I think every 6 months for an overnight stay is quite a lot, especially considering the other nights out OP goes on. My DH travels for work about twice a year and it's quite disruptive, I think I'd be a bit annoyed if he did that out of choice at the same frequency. I've been on 2 hen weekends since my daughter was born, and I've also had the odd work trip. We live rurally, DH is the only one that drives currently so when he's not around it's hard for DD and I to get anywhere, and it usually takes a lot of logistics to work out DD getting to school etc. We both see friends but very rarely overnight and usually we go together and get a babysitter.

As I said, if OP's OH is free to do the same then I don't think it's unfair, but I also think it depends on the children's ages.

Jesus... learn to drive. Your post is depressing. All these women who lose themselves once they get married...

Cm19841 · 16/09/2024 19:48

I think I would find your parents' comment difficult to forgive. Especially when you are caring for a disabled child too.

What they said is at best thoughtless but it looks like it has impacted your marriage and wellbeing. Sorry, I wouldn't be spending so much time, or sharing access to my personal life, with parents like this ever again.

I would expect my parents to have my back. You ask nothing unreasonable. I'd feel they let me down. Sorry.

Fastback · 16/09/2024 19:50

ZaraCC · 16/09/2024 19:47

Jesus... learn to drive. Your post is depressing. All these women who lose themselves once they get married...

I agree. That post was tragic. 😬

workemail71 · 16/09/2024 19:50

workemail71 · 16/09/2024 15:34

WTAF

2 days ago on her other thread the Op posted this

DH is a STBEX - I am getting everything organised and plan to leave eventually. I have been in contact with Women’s Aid and am putting together a plan to safely leave DH.

are you still planning to leave him Op?

You were two days ago on the other thread you started about your dh calling you thick

workemail71 · 16/09/2024 19:52

@MrsSunshine2b what would possess you to live somewhere very rural when you don’t drive?

and you have a husband that travels a lot and you have a child… do you think this is going to be fair on your child? to be stuck in a very rural home with a parent who doesn’t drive

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 16/09/2024 20:02

NotLactoseFree · 16/09/2024 17:05

Mmm, in this case, I disagree. There are some absolutes. And an adult woman who wants to have some time to herself, away from her family, is an absolute. There might be times when compromise and working together is valid - eg based on amount of time spent away or whatever - but that's clearly not the case here.

You disagree that one the people in the relationship has vocalised their unhappiness? I’m here for that all day long.

I might not like what gets said but I’d certainly not discount it or dismiss it out of hand. That’s how resentment turns to divorce down the line.