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Responding to fair but badly delivered criticism

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darerowow · 12/09/2024 04:40

I got promoted at work last year, in a heavily male dominated industry.

There was a lot of resentment from the guys but I got promoted because I’m the hardest working one on the team.

The promotion includes running a client facing conference type event every other week, as that’s quite a prestigious thing at my company and very sought after.

Just before the last conference, I had a call to say my son had been sick at school. I hurriedly arranged my mum to pick him up and then went to host the conference. It was a stressful 30 mins getting it sorted before the event.

Needless to say, my head wasn’t quite in the game and it wasn’t my best presenting. It was nothing terrible and the clients probably wouldn’t have noticed, but I know it wasn’t my best work.

I’ve just had a paragraphs long email from a guy on the team (disliked by many) about how badly I did, and giving me advice on doing it better next time. This guy is more junior than me but has been around years.

I politely responded and said I knew it hadn’t gone well, my son had been sick and I was distracted, and thanks for the feedback.

He then sent THREE MORE Teams
messages about how that can happen to anyone and it’s no excuse and continued to criticise my presenting and give more unsolicited advice. He used the words “very poor etiquette” in two of the emails because I’d forgotten to introduce another speaker in a particular way. Again, this was really just a product of how stressed I was about my son being sick.

He isn’t wrong, it wasn’t a great event and I already felt shit about it, but the stream of criticism is really weighing on me.

How do I respond now? My manager also thoroughly dislikes this guy and I know will sort it out if I ask him, but that seems petty and immature. Plus I’m not sure I want to highlight to my manager (who wasn’t there) that I wasn’t on good form in the meeting!

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Setyoufree · 12/09/2024 06:26

Great advice above - don't ever give people like him ammo by acknowledging or explaining. "Thanks, noted" will do.

And I doubt you got promoted just because you worked the hardest. More likely because you're the best for the role?? Can work support you with some coaching maybe? Might help you feel more secure in your position?

BotDranning · 12/09/2024 06:26

I would definitely mention it to your boss. Mainly because there is a large chance this guy will be talking to others or may see fit to let your boss know. So get in first. Down play it. 'Learnt alot' 'I wasn't particularly happy with my performance' 'this is what I'll do differently next time'.
Don't let this duck have the upper hand 'I coached her' type scenario. God I hate men (and women) like this.

IDontHateRainbows · 12/09/2024 06:27

I'd reply 'thank you for sharing' and nothing more.

It's the passive aggressive way of saying fuck off.

If he responds I'd again reokt with 'thank you for sharing ' and nothing more.

He'll soon get the hint

Wigtopia · 12/09/2024 06:30

CuriousGeorge80 · 12/09/2024 04:51

Honestly, I think after the first one I probably just wouldn’t bother responding and would let my boss know as an FYI (being clear I wasn’t asking boss to do anything).

Another possible option would be to just respond “noted”.

Final one I might go for if I was 200% sure that my boss would back me would be to reply something like “David, I’ve already acknowledged that there were issues and have discussed them directly with Boss already. I am amazed that you feel it in any way appropriate to send me four messages on this matter in the tone that you have. I would strongly encourage you to take this opportunity to reflect on how you provide feedback.”

reading this made me so pleased!

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 12/09/2024 06:36

He’s obviously trying to undermine you and erode your confidence.

Tel12 · 12/09/2024 06:37

He's given you good advice so perhaps it's best to take it and move on. Nobody's 100 per cent perfect all the time and rather than let it sting treat this as a learning experience. Bringing it to the attention of your manager would be shooting yourself in the foot. All this should build up your skill set.

TammyJones · 12/09/2024 06:39

Overtheatlantic · 12/09/2024 04:48

I would ignore. Do not engage with him any further, but don’t forget this either.

Or just - thank you for your input.
I mean no one body else will care.
Vow to do better next time
Don't over think it
Hope your son is ok.

TammyJones · 12/09/2024 06:41

FancyNewt · 12/09/2024 05:15

And if you're in a male dominated environment don't use your kid being sick as a reason to tell people you are off your game even if it's true. It will be used against you.

Agree with this.
Non of their business

Pippifer · 12/09/2024 06:45

He no doubt wants to wind you up so just shut him down. Do a 👍🏻 reaction to the messages on Teams and say “Noted, thanks.”

Thepeopleversuswork · 12/09/2024 06:51

I think you are giving this person's opinion too much power

This.

Its very obvious that his agenda is not constructive. Has all his behaviour and work always been perfect? No of course not.

In your shoes I would respond politely to the first message but stonewall the rest and keep them all. This is tipping over into harassment.

I wouldn’t report to HR yet as you have acknowledged that you were not on top of your game. But keep a note of it and if it continues share with HR.

Cherrysoup · 12/09/2024 06:56

Forward to your boss. The extra 3 messages is way over the top/inappropriate.

Poettree · 12/09/2024 07:00

I would file this under "You don't have to attend every fight you're invited to" and give him a thumbs up, then ignore. He's itching for a reaction, the absolute best way to beat him at this point is to refuse to give him one.

Golaz · 12/09/2024 07:10

Overtheatlantic · 12/09/2024 04:48

I would ignore. Do not engage with him any further, but don’t forget this either.

this

CatherinedeBourgh · 12/09/2024 07:16

I would just respond with: Noted, thanks.

Bellyblueboy · 12/09/2024 07:21

i wonder would he have given this advice to a male senior colleague.

BeanThereDoneIt · 12/09/2024 07:24

I understand why you responded with a justification but next time, I’d follow one of the many suggested responses that just shut down the conversation.

He’s not your manager, he’s not a respected peer even - what an arrogance to think he should be giving you feedback in the first place, let alone the follow up messages. You had no duty to explain yourself to him. Do not engage any further other than to shut him down. You’ve had some brilliant suggestions on how to do so. And if he tries this again, make it extremely clear to him that while you appreciate that he may think he’s being helpful, it is not appropriate for him to be commenting on your work performance as he in no way line manages you.

FUBAR77 · 12/09/2024 07:24

darerowow · 12/09/2024 05:02

The thing is it wasn’t bad advice. It was decent advice that I wish I’d had the presence of mind to apply that day. The delivery and the bombardment though, is so inappropriate.

@darerowow If you don’t mind the content and just the delivery was off, I would definitely match his energy!

Send teams twat terry constructive criticism back about the delivery of his message, as a way for him to ‘improve’ - you’ll feel much better…

Killingoffmyflowersonebyone · 12/09/2024 07:26

Tbh I wouldn’t have engaged with the first email. I’m a firm believer of if people have constructive comments they say it in person then we follow up via email - mostly because giving difficult feedback over email and not being a twat is a real skill. Particularly if you’re a more junior member of staff.

I think you made a mistake in trying to ‘explain’ or be seen to ‘justify’ what happened. You owe this guy nothing. I’d just ignore him from now on and if he continues, politely tell him his point has been noted, you’re grateful for his feedback, but if he continues to badger you that you will escalate to HR as harassment.

elessar · 12/09/2024 07:28

Yes best option I think is either a thumbs up reaction or a "noted" response.

Another option could be something like "I don't think it's constructive to continue this discussion over email/teams, let's talk in person" - I find very often that people who are happy to be be snidey and throw bombs via email suddenly back right down when forced to back it up face to face. But I'd only do that if this is someone you need to work closely with or who has considerable sway in the company, because otherwise he doesn't deserve the time of day.

If these conferences are every other week then they're so frequent that one poor performance will be a distant memory very soon so it's not something he can hold over your head in any way.

HelpMeHaveAVoice · 12/09/2024 07:39

It's not petty and immature to let your manager know your being harassed.

saraclara · 12/09/2024 07:43

I politely responded and said I knew it hadn’t gone well, my son had been sick and I was distracted,

That was your big mistake. Even in a mixed sex department, putting poor performance down to issues with your child (and especially being distracted by them) is a bad idea. In a male dominated sector it's a career killer and gives someone like him ammunition..

"Thank you for your input" should have been your only response.

Stompythedinosaur · 12/09/2024 07:44

Hobnobjob · 12/09/2024 04:47

Ask him "what is the purpose of your emails, John?"

Put it back on him. Because if he can't explain why he feels he's the one that needs to tell you all this negative feedback, the only other answer is he's a bully. And cc your manager in, so he knows somebody is onto him and that you don't give a shit about his "feedback"

This is precisely how I'd handle it.

He's obviously a twat.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 12/09/2024 07:45

darerowow · 12/09/2024 05:02

The thing is it wasn’t bad advice. It was decent advice that I wish I’d had the presence of mind to apply that day. The delivery and the bombardment though, is so inappropriate.

I would just thank him for his advice and aim to do better next time.then forget about it.

We all make mistakes and the important thing is to learn from them.

Be grateful that he has taken time to help you improve even though he is a nasty piece of work.

Janeir0 · 12/09/2024 07:53

If its great advice and welcomed, just reply and say thanks for the advice I genuinely appreciate it, however whilst we are critiquing one another please think about the delivery of your messages as they feel a little like bombardment.

Spomb · 12/09/2024 07:55

👍 is the best response. Don’t ask him the purpose of his emails, he’s the type of person who will have an answer for everything and you don’t want to enter a back and forth. I wouldn’t even waste my energy typing ‘noted’. A 👍 does the job perfectly, ends the engagement and removes this pompous person from your precious headspace.