To not go on the residential?

[Youthiswastedontheyoung]

I've just started a new p/t teaching role. Towards the end of the academic year the whole year group go on a residential which is about 3.5 hours away, for a full school week.
I have a just-turned 4 yo and other academic commitments outside of school.
AIBU to say I can't attend the residential?
As an aside, my mum (love her) thought teachers got paid for any additional hours regarding this. She was surprised to learn I'd just be getting my standard pay!

So you sign risk assessments? 🤷
How does this support your previous argument that teachers on residentials aren't responsible for large groups of children?
How does the "far more dangerous than going on a residential" (with mature adults) make the risks of taking young children: canoeing, rock climbing, kayaking, forest orienteering, archery etc. less dangerous?

So you sign risk assessments? 🤷
How does this support your previous argument that teachers on residentials aren't responsible for large groups of children?
How does the "far more dangerous than going on a residential" (with mature adults) make the risks of taking young children: canoeing, rock climbing, kayaking, forest orienteering, archery etc. less dangerous?

My point is that signing risk assessments isn't so outstandingly unique. Some teachers on this thread were listing this as something the rest of us couldn't possibly understand, when in reality, it's a normal part of lots of jobs. Yes, we take it seriously, but we don't start forums complaining about it.

I tend to think anyone who tries to claim their husband’s expertise or authority is risible anyway.

The OP didn't start a forum complaining about risk assessments.....nobody did!
The topic arose when posters were trying to make other people understand (including yourself) how one teacher would be responsible for all of the children attending a trip.
Who is complaining about signing risk assessments? You seem to be creating your own agenda here which suits your need to take a pop at teachers.

I think if the cost of the week long residential trips to parents were to include childcare costs for the adults in attendance you would see a very different response.

I guess I don't describe myself as solely responsible for 2,000+ adults, just because I've signed risk assessments, in the way that teachers on here have. It's very dramatic, disingenuous, and makes you look a bit silly.

It's only a week! I would go unless you genuinely can't find childcare.

Loads of jobs expect you to stay away or work extra hours for free. I often have to attend evening stuff at work because its part of the job.... or work ridiculous hours because I'm travelling to an office 5 hours away.

Oh yes. I expect his serious spinal condition will be gone in a few weeks or whenever the residential is. 🤔

And are you responsible for those 2000 adults if they throw up at night, wake up sobbing, get ill, have an accident or just need someone in loco parentis in the evening to stop them running from room to room til all hours?
Or all day are you responsible to make sure they're safe, learning, taking part in all the activities (usually while you're doing the activities too)?

Sorry Dr Fluufer, how much time should it take him to recover enough to look after a 4YO alone for a full working week?

Probably because 2000+ adults don't need someone to be solely responsible for them in the way children need a responsible adult.
Thank goodness you aren't in the teaching profession with your attitude.
As for looking silly, I think that ship sailed with your comments way back!

And as Dr StolenChanel you know he won't be recovered in 10 months time do you? She's not a single parent, that's all I said.

@Fluufer what is the purpose of pointing out that she’s not a single parent? What is the purpose of pointing out that the residential isn’t “for ages yet”? It seems to imply that her husband can look after her 4YO when we have already established that he cannot.

Does it need a point. She isn't a single parent. If you don't care, don't acknowledge my statement.

@Fluufer you make no sense but ok.

For all the PP’s saying that teachers get 13 weeks holiday a year, perhaps I can try and explain it better.

Teachers don’t get 13 weeks holiday a year, they effectively work part time. The same as if you have someone in your place of work who works term time only or 3 or 4 days a week. They get the same pay every month but are not being paid for the days that they don’t work and the pay is spread equally over the 12 months. You wouldn’t accuse someone in your work place who works 3 days a week as having 2 days paid holiday per week would you?

If you don't want to go or can't go, then don't but it's not unusual in a job to have to work out of hours without being compensated for it.
I travel to conferences and meetings, which mean I can be away from home for a week at a time, and the days are long and there are evening activities etc. that I have to attend so it is work with little free time.

'For all the PP’s saying that teachers get 13 weeks holiday a year, perhaps I can try and explain it better.'

All the teachers I know call it holiday... and if you're going down the ' it's part-time work' route then most teachers are pretty well paid for that...

Oh yes. I expect his serious spinal condition will be gone in a few weeks or whenever the residential is.

The residential is next summer.

And are you responsible for those 2000 adults if they throw up at night, wake up sobbing, get ill, have an accident or just need someone in loco parentis in the evening to stop them running from room to room til all hours?

No, much more taxing and serious activities than that, thanks for asking!

Probably because 2000+ adults don't need someone to be solely responsible for them in the way children need a responsible adult.

The point is that you are not solely responsible for 60 children, just because your name is on a risk assessment. You have five other adults there. So while there is a legal responsibility, in practice, there is a 1:10 ratio. Hth.

Where was that established?

RTFT

Most professional/corporate jobs require some working over your contracted hours. My job involves working away a couple of times a year, working 14+ hours a day for no extra pay for example. But my salary is good and I can mostly work from home. I don't think one week of long hours is unreasonable, but if you do and it's part of the role, you need to look for something else!