To not understand the obsession with ‘doodle’ breeds

[CherryValley5]

Eg: labradoodles, cockapoos etc.

They are absolutely everywhere! Why are people actively seeking out and paying pedigree prices for dogs that are effectively mongrels? Behavioural problems are all too common, not to mention hereditary health issues due to poor and unethical breeding - I am a dog owner and the vast majority of doodles, ‘poo’ breeds etc that I meet are incredibly hyperactive, with owners who have no clue how to deal with them. Obviously there are exceptions, some are lovely but as a rule of thumb they’re dogs that I tend to cross the street to get mine away from.

The breeder who created the labradoodle calls it his ‘life’s regret’ - that speaks volumes in my opinion!

I did exactly this with my dog and the parents of litters I was considering. It was very interesting and I went down a massive rabbit hole for far too long 😂

Not necessarily.

HAVING a pedigree and BEING a pedigree is not the same thing.

An animal can be given a pedigree certificate without being registered as a purebreed, provided both parents are pedigree animals.
I had a pedigree for my crossbreed cat.

Having a pedigree certificate - a written out or printed piece of paper with lineage on it - does not always indicate that an animal is purebred or registered.

My dogs are purebred and are registered as such. They are from working bloodlines and are also eligible for showing at breed club or championship shows under Kennel Club rules. This is BEING a pedigree.

My cat was a crossbreed, he was not registered and not eligible for show other than in pet classes. He did however had a pedigree certificate showing parentage because both his parents were registered show cats albeit different breeds. This is HAVING a pedigree. It is a piece of paper with stuff written on.

It is really quite simple...

This is called being objective and seeing both sides.

🏅here’s your medal for buying a golden retriever with excellent lineage. Congratulations on making a better choice than everyone else and thank you for bringing it to our attention 👏🏻

These threads are done to death

Incidentally, I was just checking out quotes for insurance and had to tick if my dog was a purebreed, a cross breed OR a mongrel. Therefore there does seem to be a distinction now. Things have moved on now that mixed breeds are no longer dogs of unknown parentage.

She’s DD’s retriever and getting a pedigree was her choice, not mine. I wanted to rescue one from a puppy farm personally. Thanks for the delightful sarcastic comment though!

Ok, I try again, English Dictionary this time, Cambridge, no less!

Has a pedigree, so in this case noun 2, not noun 1

I'm quite aware of what the meaning of the word 'pedigree' is, but as this is a discussion on dogs I don't think it is referring to the pedigree of humans or cows.

Generally a pedigree dog (in the UK) refers to one that is KC registered as such.

Yes. I have had pedigree Pyreneans all my life.

However, these posts were in response to another poster disputing the fact that someone had a pedigree for their Doodle. We are just pointing out that in this case that meant a "Certificate of Pedigree" and was NOT a claim that the dog IS a pedigree/purebred.

The word pedigree has more than one meaning so please go back and read the comments in the correct context.

There is a "Worldwide Australian Labradoodle Register", it's just the kennel club, and others are too snobby to accept new breeds. There is a big difference between you letting your lab get randy with a poodle and hoping for the best and one that is multiple generations of Labradoodles crossed with each other and picking the best for the next gen and 'bad specimens' no longer bred from.

There's no difference at all 😂

I suggest you contact the Oxford English Dictionary then and tell them that their definitions of the word pedigree are incorrect...

Rescuing a dog from a puppy farm is just buying a dog from a puppy farm and actively promoting the sale of these dogs.

But if no one bought a puppy from a puppy farm wouldn’t they end up in rescues or killed? I’m totally neutral as never getting a dog so doesn’t affect me either way, just wondering.

I assume so, but if nobody bought them, the farms would cease to exist.

I've read posts before where people have gone to view a litter, released it's a puppy farm and bought one anyway to "save" it. I totally get how heart wrenching it must be, but funding these people just allows them to continue.

My local rec is full of them. Tbf they mostly seem nice enough dogs. I have bernese mountain dogs and in America the bernadoodle is incredibly popular. I have met 3 here and they are strange looking creatures and absolutely crazy, hyper - like a golden doodle only even bigger. I mean, why? Why take a huge dog and introduce some additional

Some rescue centres buy the puppies that no one buys, and ex-breeding bitches from puppy farms. They then sell them for a profit. Lucrative.

Bernedoodles generally have a much longer lifespan than bernese mountain dogs. Perhaps they want some of the traits of the BMD but would like them around a bit longer? I've never met a bernedoodle but have read good things about their temperament. I'd assume the ones you've seen have poor owners.

This is a whole different subject though. You already know I'm against the Pyredoodle simply because I think it's too risky crossing a gigantic guarding breed that has exceptionally low prey drive and almost no recall with a high energy dog that has quite a strong prey drive. I don't think that is a good mix and I really can't think of any logical reason apart from teddy bear cuteness which is the sole reason why half of these would likely end up in rescue by 12 or 18 months.

I'm not sure that the Bernedoodle is really a stable mix either and I wouldn't say longevity is a good enough reason for that cross. If you want a big placid cuddly dog why not just get a Newfie or a Leonberger in the first place?

I'm not against Doodles in general but I don't think crossing a Poodle with every breed under the sun is necessarily sensible. Cane Corsodoodle anyone? Kangadoodle? Caucapoo? The rescue centres would end up filled with giant dogs that are not going to be easily rehomeable for obvious reasons.

I guess the lifespan is an issue, though my last one lived til 10 and my older boy is 9. The ones I met are really bouncy. And that's not great in a large breed. Golden doodles are the same - my friend has one. They get the intelligence of the poodle but also a degree of bounciness that these placid big dogs don't usually have. Bernese were used for watching cows on farms and pulling carts - they are the clydesdale horses of the dog world. Mine spend most of the day asleep and when they are awake they are not running about. To introduce poodle traits seems unfair to me - and sadly I don't think it's so much about lifespan as the hair.

They don't want the long hair. I'm convinced that's why they do it.

That would have been my reason. I love massive dogs, but I'm put off by the short lifespan.

I do get what you're saying, but bernedoodles have been around for a while now and I've read lots of positive things about them, so it's a mix that does seem to work in my eyes. They're very expensive though... I assume because there are less of them in this country.

They have been around but in the UK they are relatively rare. Not easy to get hold of at all. And yes very expensive. I have met 3, all at Wimbledon Common. All huge and bouncy. Like I said, I don't think it's fair to put poodle traits into large breeds. They are not supposed to be mega active,.

I have never heard of a Pyredoodle- is this really a thing? I have only ever met a few Pyranean mountain dogs - they dwarf my bernese, absolutely huge in comparison. But loads of people ask if mine are Pyranean. I think they recognise them as mountain dogs and remember the old tv show with the Pyranean. Of course they look nothing alike.

Point taken. I did look at full bernese myself originally but 9 years is too short for me, although I get nothing is guaranteed. They do seem like perfect dogs apart from that. Please do feel free to post a pic 🙏🫣😂