Seeing Prisoners celebrating their release?

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Horrible seeing prisoners on the news Celebrating their release. One cracked open a bottle, like you do when your celebrating.
Did the news need to show it?
Not nice for the victims to see this?

Why are there so many people in prison anyway?😮

I'm not accusing you. I'm encouraging you to hand out those foil blankets.
Of course we're both free to state our views on MN. But I'm asking you not to silence me out of utilising this safe space.
And your thread topic has everything to do with the early release scheme. Or at the very least, there are loose ties to it (and that's putting it mildly). You may want to pretend your thread has nothing to do with this scheme that is all over every news outlet, but please. Let's stay within the realms of reality. I mean, I'm not even going to argue that point.

Why on earth would you care whether or not I recover or even, enjoy my day? Why would you wish me well in any sense? Please. There's no need for such falseness after the honesty of our painful disagreement.

And I suspect that lots of prisoners were released early under the Tories - the Tory-owned media just kept quiet about it.

It did and I think it was reported on - I think Labour criticized it but have also been forced to do it - not least as riots over summer have meant an greater influx than usual.

Under the Tories, a release scheme was implemented to free prisoners up to 70 days early. But it was criticised as at times it would give just a day's notice of an inmate being freed early. Labour's scheme is intended to give probation services enough notice to prepare release plans for offenders to make sure they are properly monitored.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/uk-prisons-start-releasing-5500-33627033

We apparently need to build more prisons - and Labour did say they were shocked there was budget not spent showing Tory mismanagement nearly as soon as they got into government.

Also more radical suggestions that we need to look who we are sending, why and for how long - because we all want the dangerous prisoners off the streets and people to get punished when they break the law but perhaps we aren't doing any of that well at the moment.

There were also suggestion of sending our prisons abroad to prisons and paying for that - those suggestions happened under last Tory government and apparently Estonia had some preliminary talk with current Labour government.

There's no staff for our current prisons let alone for any new ones which may or may not get built!

The issue is the here and now. Everyone seems happy to hear of crowded conditions prisoners are in, but it's not good for anyone, to be shoved into a crowded wing on 23 hour bang up. Creates frustrations and leads to spiralling mental health
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This, especially with all the hand-wringers with the 'oh but prison is so unfun and restrictive to the prisoners, how dreadful for them!'

There aren't any victims to be too upset by them coming out. Labour said only people with non-violent crimes and non-sexual crimes would be coming out. So people doing things like dangerous driving, fraud, drug possession, burglary etc.

Well there’s a slight inconsistency between what you’re saying and what’s been reported (4 days ago in The Guardian). You’re not entirely wrong but, and it’s a bit of a bigger but than I’m comfortable with, prisoners who’ve already served their time for violent/serious offences but are currently serving a sentence for a lesser offence are among those being released. So… who knows how it’ll all look? It’s not the prettiest picture.

@DonnaBanana Yep Totally 🙄

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13848473/amp/Prisoner-charged-sexual-assault-ONE-HOUR-freed-jail-Labours-scheme.html

What on earth made the prison send an OSG in a van with ex prisoners!??

The government said only people serving time for non violent and non sexual crimes would be released early. Are you saying Labour lied to us?

Yes the Red Tories lied!

No it was commonly known some would slip through a loophole....it was discussed here

I'm not surprised some are celebrating. I do think it is tragic people are released to nothing - talk about setting people up to fail.

Are you saying Labour lied to us?

Stop the press. Politicians lie all the time, even The Messiah Kier. Though he’ll call it a ‘sin of omission’ or something like it. Something that sounds more palatable than a lie.

How do you even know there was a direct victim? It could be robbery of a shop. I also don’t see drug dealers as villains or the takers as victims if they want to do those drugs they’ll find a way no matter who sells it to them. How do you know this crime was committed against one person? And in any case can’t someone be happy to come home to their family after serving their time.

no I don’t agree with rapists murderers terrorists etc celebrating but petty crime maybe I don’t care too much about and let people live how they want to although no one should commit crime

"released offender reoffends"

Well, knock me down with a feather. I bet this never happened prior to July when the UK was in a perfectly functioning state.

The incident raises serious questions about the Government's decision to release thousands of criminals early

Does it now? It's easy to throw about statements, but what's not surprising is the contention here is not backed up with any sort of argument whatsoever about why this is the case.

Typical, hysterical, hyperbolic Mail drivel.

'Difficult decisions'?

'Pain'?

So many lines

@firsttimemum1230 you might change your mind once they start dealing fentanyl!

Or if your kid gets a batch of spice that's too strong

Drug dealers always have victims

Disagree. All prisoners have every right to celebrate their release ! Let's support released prisoners to integrate back into society and rebuild their lives!

Are you are Conservative Party plant?

Celebrate, yes. Maybe go to the pub for a pint, order in a takeaway. Drinking champagne in the street and hiring Rolls Royces is rather ostentatious though, and I can’t imagine it being anything but hurtful to the victims these people hurt.

I am also personally inclined to think that if rehabilitation has been truly successful then the person would be more likely to want to spend the day in quiet reflection about what went wrong and how they want to live their lives in the future, rather than in such showy displays.

Prisoners have always celebrated being released... and yes, even the ones with champagne spraying everywhere.
The fault here lies with the press for publicising it.

You certainly have a point. They have had plenty of time in their cells to reflect on the consequences of their convictions.
Early release certainly doesn't work for all but we need to give people a chance.
My views are influenced by personal experience

Unless you think every single person in prison should be in for life, then you must accept people will come out at some point and probably be quite pleased about it.

1. The Tories closed 17 prisons to save money.
2. Starmer and the judiciary decided to make an example of the impoverished underclass of British society who protested last summer, by giving people prison sentences for a first offence in which they variously shouted at a police dog, called the police scum and said nasty things about immigrants online. What they did was wrong, but their prison sentences are, in some cases, longer than those given to people for assaulting their girlfriends or causing death by dangerous drunk/drug driving. I’d hazard a guess community service was all that was needed to drum home the message that their behaviour was unacceptable.