To wish there would be a crackdown on the Deliveroo cyclists riding like maniacs without any consequences

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But to be certain there never will be

(As an aside, many of them are completely undocumented in the UK so using them is only marginally safer than hitchhiking imo)

Obviously not a problem limited specifically to Deliveroo, they're just a big example of the sector

People can and do fall over to avoid bikes. Yes, the bike didn't touch them, but they were harmed as a result of a near miss.

That is like saying suicide attempt stats don't matter because no one died.

Cars drive and park on pavements all the time. I wish the government would sort it out in England (there are some limited laws in Scotland now).

I agree about the Lime bikes and the way they just get dumped on the middle of paths. I have no idea how you are meant to get round them if you are visually impaired or have mobility problems.

A car driving through a pedestrianised area will rightly cause alarm, and the police will get involved. A motorised cycle... no one cares.

It's illegal to park on the pavement anywhere in London (apart from specifically drawn out spaces). People still do it all the time though. It's amazing to me that individual cars are allowed to take up so much public space. I saw someone had left a limebike on the road in my street and someone moved it on the pavement to park there! Out of order. I have a car and park it on my street so I'm being a hypocrite by the way. It's just a strange societal feature that cars get so much space everywhere.

The food couriers get on my wick as seen plenty of examples myself:
. Have no cycle sense. Especially in Leicester city centre where they almost knock people over.
. Ignore one way streets
. Ride cycles in the dark with no lights and in dark clothing. Just the little reflecting detail on bag lights up
. Park up dangerously to pick up orders
. Park in disabled bays
. Most couriers that ride mopeds have L plates. Seriously doubt they have insurance at all or doesn't include business use

Plus my work we are a Just Eat outlet. The problem is that they turn up 2 mins after we get an order through and get very impatient with us as sometimes we have an 30 item pick. The system is designed for takeaways and small shops so little distances to cover to collect orders. We use an app on the handsets now and can see where they are going. It puzzles me when some orders go to streets which are 4 miles away and yet other stores of my employer nearer and are JE outlets themselves. Plus some are on cycles and expect to deliver 5 bags of stuff. Usually as its heavy such as 2l bottles of Coke, 4 packs of baked beans etc. Don't get that al all. Plus one courier was making racist comments to a Muslim colleague (courier was Hindu) and we had to report him to JE using the order number. Not seen him since.

Npr can read their app for instructions. There is another JE outlet in the precinct where my work is. They just turn up to ours and show their phone screen. "Sorry its not us, its a few doors down"

I think it is incredibly sweet that so many of you believe there is food involved in any of this.

We stayed in Nottingham a few weeks back in the city centre and there were herds of these men. Not one got any food from inside any shop, the shops themselves never opened and they were just there to make it look as if there were food establishments making food there. Most of them had people sleeping in the doorways for most of the evening.

Well then that has caused harm and should be reported, in which case it would appear in stats. There are no stats evidencing the harm because it’s minimal and nowhere near the level of harm cars cause. But people like to get het up about bikes for some reason. You don’t see multiple threads and complaints about all the injuries and deaths caused by cars and how they should be outlawed or whatever. It makes no logical sense but you carry on with your outrage.

Motorised bikes should not be on the pavement. It is a real problem now. The issue with cars is unrelated.

Those aren’t ebikes, which is pedal assist. They are basically mopeds. So not really cyclists. They shouldn’t be on cycle infrastructure. As a regular cyclist I get really annoyed with these as they are large and heavy and often dangerous illegal conversions with no speed limiters. Regular legal e-bikes have pedals and the motor is there only to help with hills, setting off etc and are limited to 15mph after which the motor cuts out. If caught these illegal bikes can be seized.

No it’s not unrelated. My point is people get get het up about certain topics including cyclists but the this ire has no value in fact. When you look at the stats there is limited evidence of actual harm caused. Yet you see thread upon thread started about cyclists. Cars on the other hand do cause loads of harm and death, yet I’ve never seen one thread about cars and how dangerous they are and how they should be banned or whatever. My point is all this ire is not logical, however much you don’t like them, and there are many more things to get rightly het up about, and about which you should be loudly complaining. Yet you don’t. All your energy goes into complaining about inconsequential issues.

As I said in my first post, if you have the stats to back up that these cyclists are as dangerous as cars, I’ll be in your corner.

Until harm is caused your problem is just perception. Everyone is jumping up and down saying “it’s so dangerous”. If it’s so dangerous why aren’t there reports every week in the media about accidents and deaths that have been caused by them? Where’s the evidence to back this up? Lots of things might cause harm. We shouldn’t ban everything or use our stretched resources to clamp down on things that might cause harm, there needs to be evidence to back that up.

Most near misses involving cars never get reported either.

This thread is not about cars though.

This in my local town. It involved an e-bike, and the man in the article is correct... loads are zipping about in the town centre, and in a pedestrianised area. It is frightening.

www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/24380352.town-centre-business-owner-wants-action-e-bike-crash/

Are British deliveroo cyclists that much safer then? This is a strange thread.

Are we saying these cyclists are dangerous because they are foreign / working illegally? How are people spotting which obnoxious cyclists are which?

Do we have any record of dangerous illegal immigrants signing up as deliveroo cyclists and terrorising households, or is this a hypothetical scenario?

Mmm

In plenty of areas, Deliveroo cyclists are also white and British. So why the discussion of bad cycling by illegal immigrants?

How, in a place as multi-cultural as London, is anyone identifying a dangerous cyclist by nationality and entry visa?

Ethnic minorities tend to be overrepresented in jobs with poorer pay, and it's hard to make Deliveroo pay without speeding. But that behaviour seems to affect everyone who takes a job with them.

Am I?

Identifying a bad cyclist by their nationality and entry clearance?

I thought I was equal opportunity lock up the bad cyclist, whether Deliveroo or MAMIL.

One of our uni lecturers was knocked flying by one belting their way around the pedestrianized areas of campus at high speed and ended up with a broken arm.

If its a serious problem around you, carry a metal fork with you, and flick it into their spokes as they go past. Should at least slow them down a bit.

I can't even be arsed to respond to the illegal immigrants dog-whistle. It's Friday night, have a day off from frothing, perhaps?

Because the media would be boring reporting the same crimes every week without any of them being punished and resolved so they would not be repeated. Media = sensationalist. As soon as it becomes run of the mill the media drops it. Sadly, these dangerous cyclists have become run of the mill, instead of unacceptable outliers.

We now have a vast industry based on moped drivers with L plates and cyclists who seem unaccountable for anything.

I don’t understand it either. COLC and the increase in takeaway food and people getting late night chocolate and snacks delivered from the Co-Op a 10 min walk away.

What was it they recommended in Dads Army for enemy motorcyclists.

Cheesewire

On the handset we use to see JE orders and scan the items or select to make unavailable - we can see the where the customer lives. One of them lives in a block of flats at the bottom of the precinct - cross at the crossing by flats then walk about 100m to the store. Yet I bet if courier uses a car, they have to take twice as long to drive due to one way systems.

Then also seen courier mopeds riding on the crossing and others. Which is illegal.

They are just buying a vape which is £5 and with the high charges - its about £8.80.