To wish there would be a crackdown on the Deliveroo cyclists riding like maniacs without any consequences

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But to be certain there never will be

(As an aside, many of them are completely undocumented in the UK so using them is only marginally safer than hitchhiking imo)

Obviously not a problem limited specifically to Deliveroo, they're just a big example of the sector

Seems like a thread about cycling and the gig economy.

Actually a thread about how immigrants are criminals. You've tried to nudge everyone into having that conversation OP. Why not just start a thread that isn't disingenuous?

No safety precautions at night in the dark. No lights on the bike, no reflective gear, an accident waiting to happen. I only saw him at the last minute while driving.

YANBU
Where I live, they often use the pavement, and also go through pedestrianised shopping centres too. The speed at which they can go is terrifying.

My DP pointed out that the Deliveroo logo looks like a hand sticking two fingers up, and now I can't unsee it (and it seems very appropriate given this thread).

I'm feeling like this is a somewhat niche issue related to London and a few very large cities. I have seen a Deliveroo person on a bike in my area.

I completely understand the issues with the 'gig' economy in its widest terms and think it needs scrutiny. However, I don't think takeaway couriers on bikes warrant, in the great scheme of everything that is wrong with this country, need more than a brief note to your local councillor.

However, if you have factual evidence of illegal immigrants and stolen identification OP, I would suggest you take it to the police and anti-immigration services. If you don't it is your prerogative not to use these services. I'm not sure what you hope to achieve by posting on Mumnet?

They are a complete nightmare. I have seen elderly nearly getting knocked down as they sped past on the pavement.

They really go at such a speed that if you aren’t careful you could easily be badly hurt.

As for regulation, there are was a recent programme which looked into this and did uncover a lot of illegal work practices including the use of those who are not permitted to work in the UK.

I can’t and am not aiming to comment on illegal work practices - I’m describing ‘dangerous driving’ practices. I’ve seen a person knocked off a bike.

I live in a very small but busy and touristy city. They are everywhere and a complete menace.

Agree OP. It is a huge problem in my city; they all ride massive e-bikes and completely ignore the rules of the road to an extent that goes far beyond irritating and is actively dangerous to themselves and any pedestrians they encounter. One came flying around a corner at speed jumping right off the road and onto the pavement and only avoided hitting me as I was turning the corner because I instinctively jumped back (into a busy road!) to avoid him. He was totally unapologetic. I was very heavily pregnant at the time and genuinely really shaken. I actually contacted Deliveroo to complain but they were not in the slightest bit interested and just sent me a long reply about how they are not responsible for individual cyclists and their workers enjoy the flexibility that being a Deliveroo delivery driver offers .

I had a flat tyre on my moped and was having complete panic and lovely Brazilian deliveroo driver only person to stop and help. English flag waving lorry driver just tooted and shook his fist at me for being in the way (pulled over as close to kerb as possible)

this is a horrible racist sneering thread - which cyclist hating thrown in too.

there’s a market demand for these drivers. If lazy British people won’t do the job fortunately we do have immigrants who are prepared to work hard to deliver the cheap takeaways we alll seem to demand.

little englanders on MN really quite irksome at the moment.

Many years ago, they would have been stopped by traffic police and asked for insurance/licence details etc. It's time that traffic police were brought back imho.
Also, I think it's very dangerous for them too - I wonder how many are killed/injured on the roads.

I don't think this is fair. I wonder if your area has this problem as it really does seem to be localised to certain cities. It is a massive persistent problem here and lots of people comment on it. Delivery cyclists have big e-bikes and absolutely bulldoze them through pedestrian areas in a way that is genuinely risky to others. They also often cycle on the wrong side of the road, fail to indicate, go through red lights, speed around using their phone whilst cycling etc. No cyclist hate from me (I am one!) but they're dangerous to themselves and others and should be called out. One can agree that these cyclists are working in tough conditions whilst also agreeing that it is not ok to behave in a way that puts other more vulnerable road (or pavement ) users at risk - much like it is true that amazon delivery drivers for example are working long hours with unrealistic delivery schedules but this does not make it ok for them to pavement park and block access for wheelchair users.

I suggest that bad driving illegal vehicles etc are symptoms of the employment practices that include workers not legally in the UK, address one and that will have an impact on all

YABU. Car drivers kill people every day, why not complain about them,

YANBU. I was turning left on a green light at traffic lights yesterday, every other direction, pedestrians and the cycle lane were on red lights. That didn't stop the delivery rider on his electric bike from zooming across in front of me mid turn, coming from the blind side. Unfortunately that is typical of their behaviour - I call them suicide cyclists because they seem hell bent on getting themselves killed in a collision with a car, bus, lorry etc.

Huge issue here in Glasgow too, all using jailbroken/illegal e-bikes which are motorbikes not pedal bikes, no helmets, no lights, no licence, zero road sense. Police must be aware because you can't NOT be aware, they are everywhere and very obvious.

It's a thread about untraceable young men who break the law daily and live on a pittance. I think you're insane if you ask them to come to your door. Insane to let your children do so.

It's a big issue in both Cardiff and Plymouth and no doubt loads of other places but I know those two cities. They are very dangerous and bloody terrifying me as a pedestrian and a driver.

I frequently encounter delivery cyclists cycling on the wrong side of the road, and cycling the wrong way on a one way street.

Anyone who works with asylum seekers is very aware of just how widespread the issue is of "loaning" deliveroo/uber eats accounts. And you are correct, if you do have full details it should be reported to the Home Office. However, members of the public receiving their food aren't likely to actually have enough details of the person.

The problem is that because it is so widespread, it becomes a draw for more economic migrants who can work in the grey economy undocumented, which limits resources for people who are fleeting war/ persecution.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with people trying to make a living, but the government should legalise asylum seekers working, and force delivery companies to close the current loopholes. That way dangerous driving, illegally modified bikes and exploitative work conditions can be tackled.

Birmingham is horrendous for it. Pedestrianised areas aren’t because of these “bikes”

I really don’t get why there are so many. Deliveroo and just ear are expensive!

Legalising asylum seekers working will be a huge incentive to come here.

The problem isn't people working (who among us wouldn't try in the same shoes) it's the toleration of an anonymous criminal underclass that has direct access to our homes. The fact that nobody understands how dangerous this is shows that nobody really thinks of them as humans, just food delivery drones.

And of course the visible burgeoning criminality is a sign for everyone else that they can really do what they like.

I'm a commuter cyclist and these riders terrify me. I am increasingly frequently having near misses with them brushing past me at speed or on the wrong side of the cycle lane with no lights or high visibility and no control of the bikes. Almost all are illegal bikes being ridden without pedalling. Incentive is they are cheaper than a moped as no insurance or licence. I suspect many are not delivering food but drugs.

I've no idea how they can be regulated but the bikes are obviously illegal so surely some police checks could be set up regularly to stop and seize bikes?

Isn't the problem that asylum seekers can't legally work leaving them for years in limbo waiting for their claim to be accepted or refused (if economic migrants). So this is one of few ways to earn money. If the immigration backlog was sorted then immigrants would either be able to get normal jobs or or would be sent back. The backlog has created a pool of people wanting an unofficial job and Deliveroo etc a demand for people to work unofficially for minimal pay. Plus the development of ebikes gives you unlicensed powered transport.
Regulating ebikes and delivery jobs would be a start.

There will always be more people who want to work in the UK than the UK can accommodate so there will always be a supply of illegal workers taking on terrible terms and conditions. Cracking down on the food delivery services is the only way to tackle this particular problem.

I agree, one nearly ran me down yesterday. But it's the same with the delivery drivers as well.

It's the companies' fault for exploiting people and requiring them to deliver a dangerously high level of parcels in a too-short period of time.

And I suppose with the likes of JustEat they need to get the food to someone before it goes cold. Maybe people could go out and get their own takeaways instead.