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To worry about oldest friend - barely any contact from her for 9 months

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EmeraldDreams73 · 08/09/2024 16:03

This is likely to be long, I'm sorry.

My oldest friend, P, lives about 1.5 hours from me, we've been very close for 45 years. Pre-technology we had the odd year or two where we just caught up by letter, but have been in very regular contact (usually WhatsApp) for probably the last 20 years. Our kids are similar ages. It's been rare for us to go more than a few days without contact, or a couple of weeks absolute max, though it ebbs and flows as we're both busy. We've been a huge support to each other for many years.

I got married 9 months ago (no, I didn't bombard her with tons of wedding shit beforehand! We had the odd chat about plans, she was definitely excited for it). She did a beautiful reading which was fab and I mentioned her in my speech, she and her family had a great time from what I could tell. No falling out or cross words at all. We were in touch briefly over Christmas as usual, but didn't manage to meet up (but had seen each other at the wedding just before, so I wasn't concerned).

I know she's always under a lot of pressure with work (p/t but very demanding), and I do remember her saying in January that she'd probably be a bit quieter than usual for a few weeks, as there was a lot going on with elderly parents and in laws as well. Obviously I said no problem, I don't want to add to her worries/stress with my own expectations, and said I'm here any time, don't worry at all.

But here we are in Sept and I've heard almost nothing from her since January and I'm worried. I suddenly know nothing at all about what's happening in her life when for 45 years we've had a pretty good idea of what's going on for each other. She has sent kind messages/ cards for my birthday and to my dds, all of which seem perfectly normal, but has given zero updates on her own life and asked for zero support, whereas she normally relies on me for emotional support, as I do her.

It just feels like something major must be going on and I miss her and I suppose I'm upset at the thought that she would normally want to talk to me but for some reason doesn't atm. I've tried really hard not to be upset but the longer it goes on, can't help it. It feels like grief.

I have messaged her a few times, never asking for anything from her, just giving brief bits of news as normal at first, and reiterating now and then that I was thinking of her and hoped she was OK. I've left it weeks on end between messages and tried to keep anything I do send as very short and low key, just checking in and never asking for a reply etc. I have said that I'm worried about her and that I'm here if she needs me, she responded with a heart emoji but still no contact. I'm almost sure she's not upset with me, there's been nothing I can think of at all but it often keeps me awake at night wondering.

Of course I realises she has no obligation to keep me in the loop, but after 45 years of being so close, and after multiple school hols where I hoped she'd get in touch (she works in education, as does her DP), I'm getting increasingly worried. I am also feeling hurt if I'm honest, not that I'd tell her - I don't want to make whatever she's going through about me. I do know that she's been struggling with menopause and she's had mh difficulties in the past, as has her DP and several members of her extended family.

I had an issue with another friend a few months ago (v different character and not a mutual friend, she was spectacularly bitchy to me and I was extremely upset but we sorted it out). While that was going on I did send P a more emotional message late one night - I felt like I was losing all my oldest friends, though didn't say that. Just said I really hoped she was OK, and if I'd done anything to upset her to please let me know, told her how much she means to me etc. She didn't answer that, which I took to mean that it's nothing I've done, and have made sure since to just send occasional, low key messages.

We have one mutual friend who is very blunt (and pretty rude at times, v different to both me and P) and when P has gone quiet in the past we would normally ask each other if she was OK. When I did this around March, she didn't reply and has ignored a couple of other enquiries - very out of character but we are in touch as normal, so I've assumed she either isn't worried, or has heard from P and she just doesn't want to be in close touch with me for now/at all. Which is fuelling the worry!

Has anyone else had this happen? I miss P so much. It feels like I'm being kept firmly at arm's length - she sends cards and the odd message (eg good luck to dd2 when she started college last week), it feels bizarre to have that contact without the other side of our friendship, ie any knowledge at all of what's going on for her. I want to help, to listen, to know if she's OK.

AIBU to be worried? I wouldn't dream of contacting her parents or anything, but it's so upsetting. Should I stop even my attempts at keeping things low key in case they're construed as pressure? Or keep going in the hope that whatever is going on, she eventually feels she wants to reconnect?

Sorry this is so long.

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deeahgwitch · 30/12/2024 09:15

So @EmeraldDreams73, P contacted you and apologised for lack of contact - so she was very much aware of it.
She said it had "gone on far longer than she intended" - why did she intentionally not contact you !!!!
She says because of "procrastination and fear of conflict " - most odd
And not very complementary of you

Truly something associated with you was bugging her.

Lavender14 · 30/12/2024 09:32

"If a friend said anything like that to me I would feel so suffocated and run for the hills. This level of intensity about another human and their affect they have on you almost sounds like an intense teenage crush, and would freak most people out."

I also don't think this is fair. Op has had a very lengthy friendship and to have your best friend disappear out of nowhere is heartbreaking. Of course that would have an impact on anyone.

Op I'm really delighted you got that response and personally I think you're right to say this to her but in a gentle way. I think she needs to give you a reason and I think you need to be prepared as well that it might be something you've done or just part of your personality that she's been struggling with over time, or something entirely seperate but it also may be something you really don't see as being 'enough' to trigger what it did. But it'll be important to remember that even if it doesn't seem like a good eggnog reason to you, it was obviously a huge deal for her.

I also would be inclined to say (depending on what she says) that you are prepared to move forwards and try to figure out a new normal that works for you both, but that if she does this again without just talking to you then you wouldn't be able to move past it because it did hurt you and it was very difficult not knowing what you'd done or if she was OK or what a happening because you care about her and your friendship.

I really hope she does meet you and that it goes well. I think the ball is in her court now.

CreationNat1on · 30/12/2024 11:36

EmeraldDreams73 · 29/12/2024 17:01

I've heard from P!!!!! I'm so glad I sent that message. She apologised for the lack of contact and said it had gone on far longer than she intended due to "a mixture of procrastination and fear of conflict". She has visitors today but has promised to contact me properly tomorrow and get a date in where we can meet up and talk face to face.

I am beyond relieved. Whatever has caused this, I'm grateful to have the chance to talk properly. I'll see what comes of that conversation but for now I'm bawling hysterically all over again incredibly relieved.

If and when we do talk properly, I will obviously be listening carefully to what she has to say, and taking full accountability for anything I did wrong. But I will also make it crystal clear that I've been through hell this year and won't again. Next time she's upset about anything I expect her to use her words because this has messed me up SO badly.

Judge P on her actions (and not just her words). Let's see if she follows through.

P fears confrontation and you have been uncontrollably crying as a result of the communication. I think dial it all down a little. The intensity might be draining.

sonjadog · 30/12/2024 14:31

I hope she reaches out, but I wouldn't get your hopes up. But hopefully this will give you closure even if it doesn't go as you would like.

Truetoself · 30/12/2024 14:44

@EmeraldDreams73 I hope you will update us as I am curious what her reasons were as she implied there was a reason......

loobylou10 · 30/12/2024 14:57

I think she's been really cruel to you and doesn't deserve your friendship. If (and it is an 'if') you meet up, please make sure you tell her how much her actions have upset you. I'm not sure she deserves you as a friend. X

Cyclingalong · 30/12/2024 15:39

The comments and analysis from @CreationNat1on are incisive and imo very satisfying in the explanation they give. Thank you CN.
Do not be too willing in your keenness to re-establish the friendship to accept all responsibility for what has happened OP. You haven’t changed in the last few years. Her view of you has which she needs to account for. She should value you as a friend.

EmeraldRoulette · 30/12/2024 16:30

Cyclingalong · 30/12/2024 15:39

The comments and analysis from @CreationNat1on are incisive and imo very satisfying in the explanation they give. Thank you CN.
Do not be too willing in your keenness to re-establish the friendship to accept all responsibility for what has happened OP. You haven’t changed in the last few years. Her view of you has which she needs to account for. She should value you as a friend.

I could start a thread about how (depressingly) apt the observations made by @CreationNat1on are.

@EmeraldDreams73 i really hope it works out for you and your friend. I still believe in friendship though I feel like part of a small minority!

EmeraldDreams73 · 30/12/2024 17:14

Thank you all! I haven't heard anything yet today - she hasn't read my reply saying I'm around all day but out this evening. Perhaps she'll message this evening, but maybe she won't.

I'm feeling a lot better already tbh, got the upset out yesterday and just feel I've done all I can. The ball is firmly in her court and will stay there.

The fear of conflict thing was really odd to me because (and she knows this) I'm not confrontational in the least, either. I'm someone who tends to back down/apologise first, I'm not shouty or dramatic (to others at least, I have my moments when alone!).

I'm so grateful for everyone's thoughts and will definitely post an update if there is one! X

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pikkumyy77 · 30/12/2024 17:30

Good luck, OP. But this level of avoidance after yesterday’s communication really doesn’t bode well. She knows that this is important. Why is she still putting it off?

Marchweshall · 30/12/2024 17:40

What a saga. It’s horrible when someone ghosts you and you can’t fathom out why. I have a horrible feeling you won’t hear from her now, but I hope I’m wrong.

EmeraldDreams73 · 30/12/2024 17:42

pikkumyy77 · 30/12/2024 17:30

Good luck, OP. But this level of avoidance after yesterday’s communication really doesn’t bode well. She knows that this is important. Why is she still putting it off?

I know, it doesn't bode well at all does it?! Nevertheless I'm feeling much more OK about it today. I'd still love to hear from her properly but I accept I might not. Why promise (she used that word) to get in touch today, and then just not?! People are so weird. Anyway, I'm going to have a lovely evening with a lovely friend and just put it all out of my mind for a bit! X

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sonjadog · 30/12/2024 18:59

I think if she doesn’t contact you now, you draw a line yourself. This is not how to treat friends. Do not let anyone treat you so poorly.

pikkumyy77 · 30/12/2024 19:38

Oddly I think that all this online processing may gave served the same desensitizing/processing function as a really good therapy practice. You have thought about the unthinkable and painful situation with is sll here so much that you will end up being ok whatever the outcome. You have really worked hard here snd you deserve whatever peace can be found.

JustCrow · 30/12/2024 19:52

If you don’t hear anything in the next day or so after her promising, I’d be proactive and block her. She doesn’t deserve you.

OolongTeaDrinker · 30/12/2024 20:16

It seems like she has been trying to gently push you into the acquaintance zone, but you are not taking her hint and keep persisting and even trying to get your mutual friend involved. I totally get why you have acted the way you have, and at the end of the day it would be decent of her to give you an explanation - but if she has an avoidant confrontation communication style then she is perfectly entitled to cut ties with you in a way that suits her - I don’t condone that type of behaviour but ultimately she may not want to sit down and perform what could amount to a character assassination of you just so you can get closure. Perhaps in her mind the slow fade is the kindest way if she feels you are no longer compatible friendship wise. It is a sad way for a decades long friendship to end, but people evolve and change all the time.

Although it could be as simple as her life is so full she doesn’t have space for such an intense friendship anymore but doesn’t want to cut you out entirely. You have said yourself when she has messaged you it’s been friendly enough.

Anyway, the day isn’t over yet for a few hours so she may make good on her promise to get in touch, but if she doesn’t I agree with a previous poster who suggested you take control of the situation and block her and move on with your life,

loropianalover · 30/12/2024 21:03

If you don’t hear anything tonight OP I’d not bother messaging back even if she responds tomorrow. She’s moving the goalposts to see what she can get away with and using her actions/lack of action rather than her words. This clearly isn’t important to her and she’d rather not deal with it.

I understand your history with her but from an outside perspective she seems cruel through and through. Couldn’t find 10 mins to sit down and write something honest yesterday or today? I don’t believe it for a second.

Patienceinshortsupply · 30/12/2024 21:12

At this point, OP, I think she's just avoiding the issue. And I don't think I could respect her any more for that. Sometimes you just have to walk away without understanding why.

OopsyDaisie · 30/12/2024 21:29

I hope you get to the bottom of it OP.
After 45+ years of friendship, you deserve it X

Scarydinosaurs · 30/12/2024 21:35

I’m so sorry this has happened to you. I hope she does get in touch soon. It’s horrible to think January you were told one thing and then a year later you still haven’t had a proper answer.

Pillarsofsalt · 30/12/2024 22:04

She is treating you very badly OP. I hope you realise soon that you deserve more.

EmeraldDreams73 · 30/12/2024 23:28

Thank you all! I'm home from my lovely friend's after a fab evening and no, not heard a thing from P. I'm not upset tonight or even that surprised, I've lost a lot of the trust I had now anyway.

I totally agree with the PP who said that this thread has been great therapy; I really feel it has been, thank you all for that. 🥰 My friend this evening was so kind and supportive as well. She was angry on my behalf (I still can't feel it for myself, but that's standard for me, not specific to P) and agreed that I have done all I can. It is what it is, there's nothing to be gained from continued self flagellation and speculation.

A line will be drawn tomorrow night at the end of the year, no matter where we are. Fuck taking this into another year! It's been a painful lesson to learn, but if 'acquaintance zone' is where P wants me from now on, of course that's her prerogative. Doesn't mean I have to be OK with it, though. This level of avoidant behaviour is tipping over to cowardice and cruelty now. I'd rather just rip the plaster off and have a more honest situation between us.

I completely agree about involving mutual friend, btw - I have only asked after P/mentioned her name two or three times all year, and then only out of genuine concern for P. The moment I had confirmation that the problem was me, I thanked mutual friend for confirming it but haven't mentioned it again (and won't be). Of course it's not fair to put her in that position.

Thank you all again for your kindness, I'm so grateful to everyone for their perspectives.

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CreationNat1on · 30/12/2024 23:38

She doesn't deserve you. Find new and better friends x happy new year x

Honestlyhonay · 31/12/2024 00:28

Chop her op! Give her a taste of her own medicine and block her on everything ❤️

I don’t mean that to sound vengeful but she’s treated you like dirt and she’s clearly on some sort of power trip by not deigning to reply whilst knowing you must be going through hell. Take back the power.

EmeraldDreams73 · 31/12/2024 00:36

Honestlyhonay · 31/12/2024 00:28

Chop her op! Give her a taste of her own medicine and block her on everything ❤️

I don’t mean that to sound vengeful but she’s treated you like dirt and she’s clearly on some sort of power trip by not deigning to reply whilst knowing you must be going through hell. Take back the power.

Edited

Lol that gave me a giggle! I know I'm not capable of that tbh, but I also know that thanks to you lot and a couple of other friends, I'm feeling far stronger tonight. If I can cope with being acquaintances, I'll do that (if it's on offer...) for old times' sake and mutual friend's sake. If I can, then bollocks to her. Need to look after myself. X

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