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To worry about oldest friend - barely any contact from her for 9 months

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EmeraldDreams73 · 08/09/2024 16:03

This is likely to be long, I'm sorry.

My oldest friend, P, lives about 1.5 hours from me, we've been very close for 45 years. Pre-technology we had the odd year or two where we just caught up by letter, but have been in very regular contact (usually WhatsApp) for probably the last 20 years. Our kids are similar ages. It's been rare for us to go more than a few days without contact, or a couple of weeks absolute max, though it ebbs and flows as we're both busy. We've been a huge support to each other for many years.

I got married 9 months ago (no, I didn't bombard her with tons of wedding shit beforehand! We had the odd chat about plans, she was definitely excited for it). She did a beautiful reading which was fab and I mentioned her in my speech, she and her family had a great time from what I could tell. No falling out or cross words at all. We were in touch briefly over Christmas as usual, but didn't manage to meet up (but had seen each other at the wedding just before, so I wasn't concerned).

I know she's always under a lot of pressure with work (p/t but very demanding), and I do remember her saying in January that she'd probably be a bit quieter than usual for a few weeks, as there was a lot going on with elderly parents and in laws as well. Obviously I said no problem, I don't want to add to her worries/stress with my own expectations, and said I'm here any time, don't worry at all.

But here we are in Sept and I've heard almost nothing from her since January and I'm worried. I suddenly know nothing at all about what's happening in her life when for 45 years we've had a pretty good idea of what's going on for each other. She has sent kind messages/ cards for my birthday and to my dds, all of which seem perfectly normal, but has given zero updates on her own life and asked for zero support, whereas she normally relies on me for emotional support, as I do her.

It just feels like something major must be going on and I miss her and I suppose I'm upset at the thought that she would normally want to talk to me but for some reason doesn't atm. I've tried really hard not to be upset but the longer it goes on, can't help it. It feels like grief.

I have messaged her a few times, never asking for anything from her, just giving brief bits of news as normal at first, and reiterating now and then that I was thinking of her and hoped she was OK. I've left it weeks on end between messages and tried to keep anything I do send as very short and low key, just checking in and never asking for a reply etc. I have said that I'm worried about her and that I'm here if she needs me, she responded with a heart emoji but still no contact. I'm almost sure she's not upset with me, there's been nothing I can think of at all but it often keeps me awake at night wondering.

Of course I realises she has no obligation to keep me in the loop, but after 45 years of being so close, and after multiple school hols where I hoped she'd get in touch (she works in education, as does her DP), I'm getting increasingly worried. I am also feeling hurt if I'm honest, not that I'd tell her - I don't want to make whatever she's going through about me. I do know that she's been struggling with menopause and she's had mh difficulties in the past, as has her DP and several members of her extended family.

I had an issue with another friend a few months ago (v different character and not a mutual friend, she was spectacularly bitchy to me and I was extremely upset but we sorted it out). While that was going on I did send P a more emotional message late one night - I felt like I was losing all my oldest friends, though didn't say that. Just said I really hoped she was OK, and if I'd done anything to upset her to please let me know, told her how much she means to me etc. She didn't answer that, which I took to mean that it's nothing I've done, and have made sure since to just send occasional, low key messages.

We have one mutual friend who is very blunt (and pretty rude at times, v different to both me and P) and when P has gone quiet in the past we would normally ask each other if she was OK. When I did this around March, she didn't reply and has ignored a couple of other enquiries - very out of character but we are in touch as normal, so I've assumed she either isn't worried, or has heard from P and she just doesn't want to be in close touch with me for now/at all. Which is fuelling the worry!

Has anyone else had this happen? I miss P so much. It feels like I'm being kept firmly at arm's length - she sends cards and the odd message (eg good luck to dd2 when she started college last week), it feels bizarre to have that contact without the other side of our friendship, ie any knowledge at all of what's going on for her. I want to help, to listen, to know if she's OK.

AIBU to be worried? I wouldn't dream of contacting her parents or anything, but it's so upsetting. Should I stop even my attempts at keeping things low key in case they're construed as pressure? Or keep going in the hope that whatever is going on, she eventually feels she wants to reconnect?

Sorry this is so long.

OP posts:
SassK · 31/12/2024 18:30

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 31/12/2024 18:04

It may be that from her position you’ve done something pretty awful. Or she’s had difficult information relating to you. If you’ve pushed this hard to get answers you don’t now get to bail on that.

It's a day's income though. That's a lot to give up for someone who has dicked you around for the best part of a year. Are there really no weekends available?

I had a friend, for several years (met through work), whom I never once met up with on a weekend. Weekend's were reserved for her husband alone 🙄 It was different level self importance!
In company she was always blowing about how 'busy, busy' she was, and must try to fit this person and that person in. I had a moment of clarity and realised she was 90% superficial bore.
I still wonder why I entertained the friendship for so long 😂 I wouldn't now; older and wiser, and she'd be ghosted in a heartbeat!

Butchyrestingface · 31/12/2024 18:30

Miffylou · 31/12/2024 18:25

I’d reply "You know weekdays are difficult for me as I’m working. Can you not spare a couple of hours one weekend?"

Fuck no. I'd drop the rope, as someone else suggested earlier. A 4046 year friendship wouldn't be worth this amount of headspace and anguish.

It sounds like OP's erstwhile mate is playing one of those games where the only winning move is NOT to play (not my line, unfortunately).

CreationNat1on · 31/12/2024 18:36

I ld respond "hi, midweek never suits due to work. Give me a bell when you are free. HNY and 2025"

StampOnTheGround · 31/12/2024 18:41

I would reply saying weekdays won't work for me in Jan unfortunately, but I can do x or y weekend.

0123thehollyandtheivy0123 · 31/12/2024 18:42

@EmeraldDreams73

I started a kind of similar thread recently.

My friend would finally get back in touch full of apologies and the meet up would change date/time. Every time...

The best thing I ever did was to take back control and tell it to her straight in a message. And then I blocked her. Since then I have felt far lighter.

By replying to her you will be ONCE AGAIN be getting het up and going round and round this merry go round... life is far too short to be dealing with this cr*p. She has shown her true colours.

Ditch her. Don't spend any more time on this.

I am speaking from a lot of experience. It took the very blunt words of strangers on mumsnet for me to finally think 'get rid'. And honestly... I have absolutely zero regrets. I wish I had done it months ago.

0123thehollyandtheivy0123 · 31/12/2024 18:43

Your friend has suggested a time to meet when you would need to take a day off work. That is crazy.

EmeraldRoulette · 31/12/2024 18:46

@ScaryM0nster thanks for the reply

Your post has made me glad I don't have a big social circle - mostly I think I'd like one but that looks like a big pile of crazy.
i dont think I know anyone as petty as that!

do people really lose actual genuine friendships for things like that?

CreationNat1on · 31/12/2024 18:56

You ll set a date and she ll cancel last minute, don't bother. What's wrong with calling, on the phone.

Honestly, she is sounding v mad now.

WomenInConstruction · 31/12/2024 18:59

EmeraldDreams73 · 31/12/2024 17:41

I wouldn't give her the satisfaction of sending this thread tbh, given how upset I've been! Mind you, if I decide I don't care about the fallout, it's always an option down the line 😜

I'm sorely tempted to say I can't afford to take any time off work, you've got your message across now, so please don't bother. Then block!

However, this is me so I'll probably manage an extremely short reply later, giving 2 dates I could potentially take off work, and will then ignore. Let her squirm in the meantime, she probably only wants to meet up to tell me how shit I am as a friend - she's had plenty of chances to do that this year already.

I am like my lovely Dad in that it takes a LOT to upset me, I'm really placid and patient as a rule. But once I'm upset, I'm a stubborn cow and I'm 100% done with grovelling. If not block and ignore, matching her tone/effort is the only way to go. In fact, that's exactly what I advise my young adult dds in terms of friendships, it's normally my mantra with anyone. I'd be livid if one of their close friends did this to them.

I DO know I should opt for dignified silence at this point, especially given the studiedly casual tone and 24 hour delay to what she promised, but I'm nosey and stubborn and pathetic. Plus, I don't like the idea of her telling everyone I begged to see her then blocked her like some unstable stalker instead of her oldest friend!

Christ on a bike, do not offer to take days of work for this person!
Or even do it without her realising!

No no nooooo.

That's your self respect you're losing if you do that.
And... It is entirely predictable possible you'd arrange a whioe diary around it and then be let down last minute anyway.

Just reply with the concept of 'super simple and non emotional' as the rule for whatever you say.

'Weekdays aren't possible due to work, let me know any weekend dates you can do in the foreseeable, happy new year.'

That is clear, reasonable, non emotional and ball firmly in her court.

Never send this thread to her unless you want her to be able show everyone and maybe twist it.

I think she's playing a game where she offers you crumbs so she can't be accused of stone walling you/look like a shit to everyone who was at your wedding.
But equally she's not bending herself out of shape one iota to make this happen. It's smoke and mirrors at this stage.
Face saving for her, political choice cos you have mutual friends.

If you were my friend and had said what you said I'd be moving mountains to reassure you if my reasons for being quiet for so long were genuine and not connected to 'us'

EmeraldRoulette · 31/12/2024 19:15

@EmeraldDreams73 I also think the weekday request is intentional to avoid the meeting

Please don't do yourself out of money or disrupt your schedule, she'll cancel

I just wouldn't reply. She'll probably back off completely now

if you do reply I'd just say "oh well, sounds like it won't work. Happy New Year". And then don't worry about replying to any future messages but I doubt you'll get any more.

fashionqueen0123 · 31/12/2024 19:28

How weird. What conflict is she on about?! I’d have to find out. I’d just ask her directly

Poodleville · 31/12/2024 19:35

I agree she has breezily replied with a suggestion for days she knows you can't do, and will probably cancel if you do agree.

She has let you down big time. Your messages of concern clearly implied you thought something terrible was going on with her, and she didn't correct you. You've been worried sick and second guessing yourself for over a year is it - and now she has you jumping through more hoops.

I think I would reply 'I'm going to need a heads up of what the issue has been before I commit to a meet. You can text it, voice note it, or we can arrange a phone call'.

Her breezy tone is shocking!

ScaryM0nster · 31/12/2024 19:40

EmeraldRoulette · 31/12/2024 18:46

@ScaryM0nster thanks for the reply

Your post has made me glad I don't have a big social circle - mostly I think I'd like one but that looks like a big pile of crazy.
i dont think I know anyone as petty as that!

do people really lose actual genuine friendships for things like that?

It definitely gets close sometimes.

It’s surprisingly easy done. Something is a really big deal to one person, not noticed by the other, but the first thinks it’s deliberate or at least conscious action.

As you’ve shown, not necessarily immediately lost but massively hampered.

Or I could put it another way, one person promises to get back within a certain time frame. Doesn’t fully appreciate that that’s a final straw for the other one. Then doesn’t get back in that time frame, so the other decides that’s it and they’re done with the friendship.

Some would call that a small thing ;)

Honestlyhonay · 31/12/2024 19:45

Op, I think you need to become more assertive. You’re acting like a door mat (I really mean that kindly). This person is taking the complete piss out of you.

OrangeSlices998 · 31/12/2024 20:12

OP you’re being such a doormat to someone who has treated you so so poorly.

I would personally reply ‘I can’t do weekdays due to work, can we not just speak on the phone? If not, then best of luck for the future because this isn’t how you treat friends.’

PeppyGreenFinch · 31/12/2024 20:51

EmeraldDreams73 · 31/12/2024 17:20

I'd have to take a day off to meet her on any weekday! And I'm self-employed which means literally the only time I take off work unless I'm dying is the week between Xmas and New Year.

I am in no rush to reply. What's wrong with a fucking weekend?! I'm SO irritated.

Sounds like she’s still trying to pull your strings. You’re relegated to weekend status, not worth a weekend meet-up.

Presumably she knows you’re self-employed and that a day off during the week means no pay.

I bet that she doesn’t show and you therefore lose money due to her.

pikkumyy77 · 31/12/2024 20:58

OolongTeaDrinker · 31/12/2024 18:15

Sadly I think she knows you won’t be able to meet on a weekday which is why she has suggested a vague ‘are you ever free on x days’ rather than actually suggesting a concrete day on a weekend when she knows you’ll be free. I would message back saying ‘don’t worry about it, I’m going to take your multiple hints and just leave things as they are’. Hopefully the fresh start of the new year will let you put this behind you.

I agree with this.

If you do decide to meet make her a counteroffer that actually works for you. If she agrees and shows up you will feel slightly better about things as she will have had to act for your convenience.

EmeraldDreams73 · 31/12/2024 21:58

I take the point that having asked for clarity I should make the effort to at least agree on a date! Just irritated by the casual tone and total lack of actual info, just kicking it down the road.

I haven't replied yet, but I'll message later, offer a couple of dates and go from there. If she turns up I'll listen to what she's got to say. If not, that's game over for me.

OP posts:
2O25 · 31/12/2024 22:08

I am so sorry you are going through all this. Such cruel treatment from a lifetime friend. Not knowing would torment me. I would be obsessing over it and constantly racking my brain trying to guess what happened. It will be easier to end the friendship and move on if you know why she is upset.

kitteninabasket · 31/12/2024 22:09

'Sorry, failed to do what I said already! Chatting face to face would be good, are you ever around on x or y weekdays?'

Sorry to be blunt OP, but this woman doesn't care about you. 'Are you ever around' is odd phrasing to say the least, and certainly not the words a person who is making you a priority would use. And I'm guessing that in the 46 years she's known you, she is well aware you are not 'ever around' on weekdays.

In your shoes I would leave it now. Don't waste your precious time thinking about people who barely give you a second thought.

Daisydaisy2024 · 31/12/2024 22:12

Daisydaisy2024 · 31/12/2024 08:54

No, she hasn't. This poor woman (OPs ex friend) is being hounded and very occasionally sends something back to be polite. That is absolutely apparent from OP's incredibly long and frankly obsessive post.

And I noted that the OP is pretending to be worried about the woman, when in fact she's just upset at being ignored, and has even contemplated contacting the woman's parents but tells us she "wouldn't dream of contacting her parents or anything, but it's so upsetting."

That thought doesn't go through your mind unless you have definitely contemplated it.

As is often the case, OP is an unreliable narrator.

And let's examine how much hassling of this poor woman OP has engaged in:

"After multiple school hols where I hoped she'd get in touch"
Er, one school holiday where she ignores you, take the hint.

"Here we are in Sept and I've heard almost nothing from her since January." Jesus wept, take the hint.

"I've left it weeks on end between messages and tried to keep anything I do send as very short and low key"
Holy shit, take the hint.

Messaged to say "I really hoped she was OK, and if I'd done anything to upset her to please let me know, told her how much she means to me etc. She didn't answer that, which I took to mean that it's nothing I've done"
Er no, it means she's ignoring you, take the hint.

"and have made sure since to just send occasional, low key messages."
Even after being completely ignored AGAIN and telling her "how much she means to me"?! Feck sake, take the hint.

"We have one mutual friend who is very blunt and when P has gone quiet in the past we would normally ask each other if she was OK. When I did this around March, she didn't reply and has ignored a couple of other enquiries."
Wait, she's done this before? And your mutual friend is now ignoring your nonsense too? Holy crap, take the hint.

"It feels like I'm being kept firmly at arm's length". You are. Take the hint.

It just doesn't matter whether we want people to love or want us, and it's not relevant whether her friend is being fair or unfair (although my sympathies lie firmly with the woman OP is hassling).

If someone doesn't want you there is nothing to be done about it. Hassling them just makes them want you even less.

And when someone is clearly ignoring you for months and months on end, collect your dignity, lift your chin. And take the hint.

Just a reminder, having a psychotic break/melt down/demanding an exit interview won't make anyone love you or want you and leaving people in peace when they've made it abundantly clear that's what they want, is definitely an option.

loropianalover · 31/12/2024 22:16

Daisydaisy2024 · 31/12/2024 22:12

Just a reminder, having a psychotic break/melt down/demanding an exit interview won't make anyone love you or want you and leaving people in peace when they've made it abundantly clear that's what they want, is definitely an option.

I wonder are we reading the same OP posts or is there some glitch where you’re seeing something very different than the rest of us? 😂

kitteninabasket · 31/12/2024 22:16

Daisydaisy2024 · 31/12/2024 22:12

Just a reminder, having a psychotic break/melt down/demanding an exit interview won't make anyone love you or want you and leaving people in peace when they've made it abundantly clear that's what they want, is definitely an option.

The only one having a meltdown here is you.

Daisydaisy2024 · 31/12/2024 22:18

Indeed, you appear to have ignored everything the OP said and every point I made because you feel in some way emotionally tied to the OP. I've already pointed out how stalkerish the OP is being. If this was a man doing this to a woman people would be very very worried indeed.

Time to move on as she should have years ago. Time for the OP to take the hint.

Daisydaisy2024 · 31/12/2024 22:18

kitteninabasket · 31/12/2024 22:16

The only one having a meltdown here is you.

Lol. Nah.