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Babysitter left the house

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Piano737 · 05/09/2024 07:56

Au pair living with us, age 20. She babysits approx one night a week, has done so for about six months, kids (4yo twins) have never woken when she has babysat but she knows they do wake occasionally.
Recently she has a new boyfriend who she is spending every waking moment with other than when she has other commitments. We have said he is welcome in the house but not overnight between midnight and 7am - this was our agreement with her before she moved in.
Last night she was babysitting and our front door camera pinged on my phone so I checked the notification and saw that she had walked out of the house and closed the front door. I thought it was odd but thought maybe she had gone out to put something in the bin (right outside front door) so waited a minute or two and then checked to see if she had returned - she hadn't. I panned the security cameras around the front of the house to see if I could see her and could not. They cover the whole of the driveway so probably about 5 metres from the house plus neighbour on one side's driveway.
At this point I panicked that she had forgotten she was babysitting and called her. She said she had gone out to talk to someone and was right outside the house - demonstrably not true as cameras couldn't see her. Boyfriend also drives a distinctive van so I would have seen that on the camera too if it was across the street or next to the house.
I said I was not comfortable with that and could she go back to the house, and reminded her that she could have a guest inside if she wanted to. Three or four mins later she went back inside alone. As soon as we got home around 10.30pm she went out with boyfriend until 4am.
Ironically about an hour after I had asked her to go back inside while babysitting, DD did wake and she needed to settle her which she did successfully - they are very comfortable with her, she does the school run and after school care three days a week.
I have asked to speak to her straight after kids bedtime today as want to understand what was going on in her head to make her leave two four year olds alone out of earshot with no way of her knowing if one of them was crying/looking for an adult in the house. I am feeling really anxious about this and want to check if I am being unreasonable.
YABU - stop stalking her with your cameras, kids are fine.
YANBU - this is crazy behaviour and needs a serious conversation about responsibilities around children.
To add, until boyfriend appeared we were very happy with her. Since boyfriend she has been very distracted and trying to wriggle out of some of her responsibilities to us, but nothing that has made me feel the kids were unsafe until this point.

OP posts:
Viviennemary · 05/09/2024 12:34

Where was she. If she was out in the garden chatting I think that's OK.

Whale80ne · 05/09/2024 12:37

Mikunia · 05/09/2024 12:32

Lucky that isn't what's happening here then.

I was replying to the post suggesting covert cameras indoors, not suggesting the OP was already doing this. Not sure why you felt the need to post pointing out the obvious.

FunkyClunky · 05/09/2024 12:40

Thank goodness for your doorbell cam @Piano737 Hopefully she’s not that irresponsible when she’s looking after your children at other times.

sunsetsandboardwalks · 05/09/2024 12:40

Viviennemary · 05/09/2024 12:34

Where was she. If she was out in the garden chatting I think that's OK.

There are threads on here all the time about how it's perfectly fine to chat at the end of the garden while kids are in bed, and I suspect the vast majority of parents have chatted outside while their kids nap upstairs too.

Piano737 · 05/09/2024 12:46

Bestyearever2024 · 05/09/2024 11:36

One of the things which jumps out to me is that you're happy for her boyfriend to be in the house when you're not there but the children are there

Do you know him? Does he have a DBS?

You are right. I hadn't really thought this through. We have met him briefly on a few occasions but don't know him in any meaningful sense. This is the first time I have navigated an au pair situation and it seemed reasonable to allow her to have visitors in daytime hours.

OP posts:
Piano737 · 05/09/2024 12:50

sunsetsandboardwalks · 05/09/2024 12:40

There are threads on here all the time about how it's perfectly fine to chat at the end of the garden while kids are in bed, and I suspect the vast majority of parents have chatted outside while their kids nap upstairs too.

At the end of the garden with the garden door open is very different from an equivalent distance from a closed front door!

OP posts:
sunsetsandboardwalks · 05/09/2024 12:55

At the end of the garden with the garden door open is very different from an equivalent distance from a closed front door!

Depends on the size of the garden, the layout of the house and whether windows etc. are open, surely?

Candaceowens · 05/09/2024 12:56

In my opinion of she has left the house then it doesn't matter if she's 10 yards or 10 miles away. She would not hear if anything happened.

Bestyearever2024 · 05/09/2024 12:58

Piano737 · 05/09/2024 12:46

You are right. I hadn't really thought this through. We have met him briefly on a few occasions but don't know him in any meaningful sense. This is the first time I have navigated an au pair situation and it seemed reasonable to allow her to have visitors in daytime hours.

I dont think its reasonable to allow visitors who you don't know well, into your home when you're not there.

Dreamcatchergirl · 05/09/2024 13:03

Ok first of all I think you’re a bit mad letting her boyfriend in your house when you’re not there with your 4 year olds… what were you thinking when you allowed that OP.

Other than that you’re not unreasonable, if she’s lost interest in the job and her priorities have changed then it’s not going to work for you. Under no circumstances should she have left and gone outside. I think any normal person would check the ring doorbell to be curious as to who is leaving or entering your house late at night when you have 2 kids

Teenyweenytinytrees · 05/09/2024 13:11

UANBU that is totally unacceptable from her and I would not be happy at all.
UABU to allow her boyfriend to be in your home with your two four year olds.

I would be giving her very clear boundaries and if they are pushed or crossed she would be asked to leave.

Isthisexpected · 05/09/2024 13:14

sunsetsandboardwalks · 05/09/2024 12:55

At the end of the garden with the garden door open is very different from an equivalent distance from a closed front door!

Depends on the size of the garden, the layout of the house and whether windows etc. are open, surely?

Incomparable. A parent will re-enter a burning building to save their kids. An au pair, safely outside in her boyfriend's van probably won't!

purpleme12 · 05/09/2024 13:18

You can't police the amount of sleep she has!

ManhattanPopcorn · 05/09/2024 13:28

If she went back into the house 3 or 4 mins after you told her too then she can't have been far from the front door. There must be a camera blind spot.

Teenyweenytinytrees · 05/09/2024 13:29

purpleme12 · 05/09/2024 13:18

You can't police the amount of sleep she has!

I wouldn't want her driving my car or taking care of two of my kids on no sleep, so yes, I would definitely be policing it, or asking her to leave!

nOasistickets · 05/09/2024 13:31

Sorry - i would not be able to trust her after this....

dontcryformeargentina · 05/09/2024 13:43

Blobblobblob · 05/09/2024 08:15

Just sack her. The trust is gone.

This... I wouldnt trust her after this.

Pinguastic · 05/09/2024 13:52

Seems she is comfortable with lying and prioritizing her teen needs above her work.

This is decision point for you.

Similar our nanny was talking on the phone while driving, she was talking to me and I saw her with phone to her ear my my kids in car. I was with a friend in car & passed her other direction.
I asked her if she was driving & talking on phone, she said No & call disconnected. A few minutes later, at home now I said “I just saw you in my car with phone to your ear.” She denied it.
I gave her a second chance which I regretted because she did other crap things, she could lie to my face with such ease.

Caramellie3 · 05/09/2024 13:52

If she was on your drive talking to a friend I guess it’s ok. But as you asked her to go back in and she didn’t straight away seems bad. I know she will think you are checking up on her. But also out till 4 am when she is working with young children isn’t great either. If you can afford it I’d pay for a qualified nanny instead.

Outd00rs · 05/09/2024 13:58

I think it would really depend on her thoughts on your concerns. If she doesn’t get the problem then I’d be worried that she’s not mature enough to keep on - or is distracted by her social life. If she is remorseful and made one mistake then actually it’s less likely to happen again. Weird though that she hasn’t really said where she was!
I wouldn’t let a boyfriend or friend in the house when she is working unless she has a separate accommodation? Is he DBS checked ? Do you know anything about this person who is hanging around your kids? I think you are being quite ‘on it’ compared to most and cameras do seem a bit over the top but that’s your prerogative - they’re your kids and she’s your employee. Ultimately it’s what you are comfortable with - if you’re always going to be worried now - I think it’s justified to say it’s time to part ways amicably and maybe for her to take on a different kind of job which fits in better with a young persons lifestyle.., you can stay in touch… !

TheBeesKnee · 05/09/2024 14:42

I would be furious. Sack her with immediate effect, she's clearly prioritising this relationship above her job/responsibility and I frankly would not trust her.

Take some emergency family leave at work between yourself and your DH until you sort out alternative care.

AsYouWiiiiiiiiiiiiish · 05/09/2024 14:51

I was a nanny (qualified and trained so not quite the same as an aupair) but I absolutely would NEVER have done this.

I had a "live in" position at 20 and was dating, but never let it interfere with work.

She seems very preoccupied with her boyfriend which is pretty normal at her age, but I would be concerned about it affecting her judgement when caring for the children.

Your children need to be her priority during working hours and what happens outside working hours shouldn't impact either. (Staying out so late she is tired etc)

Apfelkuchen · 05/09/2024 15:00

What if she’d forgotten to take her key and been locked out?

The trust would be gone for me.

Pistachiochiochio · 05/09/2024 16:33

Blobblobblob · 05/09/2024 08:15

Just sack her. The trust is gone.

This.

If she had had a baby monitor with her she would have told you that.

Isthisexpected · 05/09/2024 16:48

ManhattanPopcorn · 05/09/2024 13:28

If she went back into the house 3 or 4 mins after you told her too then she can't have been far from the front door. There must be a camera blind spot.

Walk away from your front door for 4 mins. I can get to the local shop! What does that prove? She still left the children alone in a property.

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