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Lucy Letby’s scribbled notes

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Figmentofmyimagination · 03/09/2024 22:16

At times when I’m feeling acutely distressed, it’s not at all unusual for me to scribble all sorts of dreadful thoughts down on paper eg die die die, hate hate hate, I hate you, I hate you, what’s the point of you, my fault, stupid me, etc etc etc, usually scribbling them all out so nobody can see what I’ve written. I’m pretty sure this is quite a common response to acute mental distress. I agree with this article that it feels very surprising that Letby’s scribblings were used as evidence of a ‘confession’.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/i-am-evil-i-did-this-lucy-letbys-so-called-confessions-were-written-on-advice-of-counsellors

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Onwardsandsidewaysyetagain · 03/09/2024 23:59

The sad reality is that I also doubt a convicted Black or Asian nurse would garner as much empathy/sympathy or defence as she has

This is probably true and why miscarriages of justice are higher amongst these groups. Doesn't make it a safe conviction though.

Tandora · 03/09/2024 23:59

HazelPlayer · 03/09/2024 23:57

No, she's being truthful.

You've completely missed her point.

Yeh that’s the third time you’ve stated that.

Mirabai · 03/09/2024 23:59

HazelPlayer · 03/09/2024 23:49

*The defence did not use the expert witnesses it had. Fact.

No-one knows why*.

Ah here we go again.

Some people do know why.

Her legal team knows why.

She knows why.

The judges probably know why.

Seriously? Her legal team have declined to comment, she’s in prison.

HazelPlayer · 03/09/2024 23:59

No interest in whether you think I “look like” someone worth listening to.

Then why post?

If you don't intend people to read your posts and consider them?

Throwing childish insults at other posters detracts from anyone taking you seriously..... If you don't want to be taken seriously or what you're saying be considered by readers; why post?

shuggles · 04/09/2024 00:00

HelloMiss · 03/09/2024 22:25

If she didn't kill those babies then who did??

Funny how it's all stopped..

I suggest developing your knowledge in statistics.

Tandora · 04/09/2024 00:00

Onwardsandsidewaysyetagain · 03/09/2024 23:59

The sad reality is that I also doubt a convicted Black or Asian nurse would garner as much empathy/sympathy or defence as she has

This is probably true and why miscarriages of justice are higher amongst these groups. Doesn't make it a safe conviction though.

👍🏻

Tandora · 04/09/2024 00:00

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 03/09/2024 23:59

I'm not sure why you think that high street firms aren't capable of dealing with complex cases.

I’m not sure why you think they are incapable of making mistakes?

HazelPlayer · 04/09/2024 00:01

Mirabai · 03/09/2024 23:59

Seriously? Her legal team have declined to comment, she’s in prison.

And?

They don't owe you an explanation.

It would probably be illegal or st best unprofessional for them to give an explanation.

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 04/09/2024 00:01

Tandora · 04/09/2024 00:00

I’m not sure why you think they are incapable of making mistakes?

I'm not sure where you get that from what I've said.

MrsSunshine2b · 04/09/2024 00:01

Boymum888 · 03/09/2024 22:22

I mean this in the kindest way, but if you're writing things like that down when feeling distressed, I would talk to a doctor about getting some support or looking into different support if you are. I don't think writing about dying or hating yourself is particularly healthy and if I knew someone was, I would be very concerned.

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If you've been accused of being the worst female serial killer in history and arguably the most evil woman alive in the UK today, I would say that this is a normal level of distress and not surprising.

I'm very much on the fence about whether she did it, but the conviction needs to be absolutely watertight because if she didn't, it's a huge miscarriage of justice.

Marinade · 04/09/2024 00:02

Tandora · 03/09/2024 23:57

👍🏻

OK Ill bite. The point I made as that the jury reached differing verdicts on the counts - where they were not satisfied that the prosecution had presented evidence to the standard of beyond reasonable doubt THE JURY WAS HUNG AND DID NOT CONVICT HER. So this leads me to the conclusion that the jury considered all counts carefully and diligently. OK?

HazelPlayer · 04/09/2024 00:03

Marinade · 04/09/2024 00:02

OK Ill bite. The point I made as that the jury reached differing verdicts on the counts - where they were not satisfied that the prosecution had presented evidence to the standard of beyond reasonable doubt THE JURY WAS HUNG AND DID NOT CONVICT HER. So this leads me to the conclusion that the jury considered all counts carefully and diligently. OK?

Pearls to swine, my dear.

Tandora · 04/09/2024 00:03

HazelPlayer · 03/09/2024 23:59

No interest in whether you think I “look like” someone worth listening to.

Then why post?

If you don't intend people to read your posts and consider them?

Throwing childish insults at other posters detracts from anyone taking you seriously..... If you don't want to be taken seriously or what you're saying be considered by readers; why post?

I think she was stating she had no interest in your opinion of her since you were just being rude 🤷🏼‍♀️
you’ve also engaged with me in a manner that’s added zero value to any constructive discussion so I don’t blame her.

HazelPlayer · 04/09/2024 00:05

Tandora · 04/09/2024 00:03

I think she was stating she had no interest in your opinion of her since you were just being rude 🤷🏼‍♀️
you’ve also engaged with me in a manner that’s added zero value to any constructive discussion so I don’t blame her.

She's the only poster I've seen being rude on this thread.

Telling people (not me btw) they're "too silly to ..".

She is aggressive and rude and it's extremely difficult to take someone like that seriously.

They don't come across as levelheaded or rational.

Marinade · 04/09/2024 00:05

HazelPlayer · 04/09/2024 00:03

Pearls to swine, my dear.

Ha ha so true!!

Mirabai · 04/09/2024 00:06

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 03/09/2024 23:59

I'm not sure why you think that high street firms aren't capable of dealing with complex cases.

Does this small high street firm have a proven track record in winning lengthy murder trials involving complex scientific evidence? Probably not.

Not saying there isn’t one somewhere that could have managed it, but this defence failed on many points.

Tandora · 04/09/2024 00:06

Marinade · 04/09/2024 00:02

OK Ill bite. The point I made as that the jury reached differing verdicts on the counts - where they were not satisfied that the prosecution had presented evidence to the standard of beyond reasonable doubt THE JURY WAS HUNG AND DID NOT CONVICT HER. So this leads me to the conclusion that the jury considered all counts carefully and diligently. OK?

Yes I saw that. I disagree that’s enough to say the jury must be correct. Juries often hand back mixed judgements it doesn’t make them more likely to be correct.

then following that you proceeded with the usual disparaging remarks about how dare you / who are you to question the jury who were there for the 9 month trial (read some stuff on the back of a fag packet etc). Which is a v problematic line of argument.

HazelPlayer · 04/09/2024 00:07

you’ve also engaged with me in a manner that’s added zero value to any constructive discussion

Your obvious inability to read and comprehend a not complicated post by someone else, and double down on that; made me conclude there was no point in trying to have constructive discussion with you.

Marinade · 04/09/2024 00:07

Tandora · 03/09/2024 23:59

Yeh that’s the third time you’ve stated that.

Your failure in comprehending some basic facets of this exchange is starting to take its toll now.

HazelPlayer · 04/09/2024 00:08

Juries often hand back mixed judgements it doesn’t make them more likely to be correct.

Many people would disagree with you there.

Tandora · 04/09/2024 00:08

HazelPlayer · 04/09/2024 00:03

Pearls to swine, my dear.

ive Just joined this thread and the only person I see being rude is you. Case and point.

Mirabai · 04/09/2024 00:08

HazelPlayer · 03/09/2024 23:59

No interest in whether you think I “look like” someone worth listening to.

Then why post?

If you don't intend people to read your posts and consider them?

Throwing childish insults at other posters detracts from anyone taking you seriously..... If you don't want to be taken seriously or what you're saying be considered by readers; why post?

Because some posters are worth engaging with.

Marinade · 04/09/2024 00:09

Tandora · 04/09/2024 00:06

Yes I saw that. I disagree that’s enough to say the jury must be correct. Juries often hand back mixed judgements it doesn’t make them more likely to be correct.

then following that you proceeded with the usual disparaging remarks about how dare you / who are you to question the jury who were there for the 9 month trial (read some stuff on the back of a fag packet etc). Which is a v problematic line of argument.

Well I take as I find to be fair. The ill informed, speculative and nonsensical posts around the conviction are horrible to read and I will judge people accordingly.

Tandora · 04/09/2024 00:10

Mirabai · 04/09/2024 00:08

Because some posters are worth engaging with.

👍🏻

HazelPlayer · 04/09/2024 00:13

Tandora · 04/09/2024 00:08

ive Just joined this thread and the only person I see being rude is you. Case and point.

The infamous Mirabai was there long before me, dear.

Unless you conveniently consider her telling other posters they're too silly to understand something, to not be rude.

If so, you're the only person who does.

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