To be concerned at the number of people lying to get weight loss jabs?

[sahah]

Not to mention the people buying the unlicensed stuff off of the streets?

I’ve seen it so much lately, this surely can’t end well.

I can’t speak for other people’s motivations but I could buy this medication if I wanted to, so it’s not envy that I want it but can’t have it. Nor do I get some kind of twisted enjoyment over people being physically unhealthy or suffering ill mental health over their weight.

I feel like people are completely glossing over the fact that this is in fact a problem, today, not hypothetically, and there are health professionals dealing with the consequences on a daily basis who are saying so. Are they also envious, and like fat people being fat?

The counter arguments I have gotten so far range from envy, to it’s none of my business, to it being fake news, to diverting to other issues I should be concerned about, questioning my sincerity, and so on. None of this addresses the issues I have brought up as to why it’s a problem for people to be buying this stuff fraudulently.

What's your solution? Prosecute the people who are buying prescription meds by deception? Not allow anyone to have them because some people decide the rules don't apply to them? Put everyone on a years-long waiting list to see a weight-loss clinic to be prescribed then face-to-face and just hope they don't die of complications in the meantime?

@sahah the relevant regulatory body is already aware of potential issues and will no doubt take action as they have done in the past. Especially because of the frequent media articles about people taking illegal or fraudulently obtained versions.

Do you think that more needs to be done, or something else?

My purpose was to create a discussion that shows it’s not harmless to obtain this drug fraudulently, which considering how many people openly say they are lying to get it, gives the impression that a fair few people don’t think it’s a problem. Not to mention 1/3 of people on this thread don’t see it as concerning at all. But hopefully it changes someone’s mind, or someone who wasn’t aware now is. I have not seen a thread talking about this aspect of it, and I don’t have the power to do anything about it other than discuss it. I’m not here to demonise anyone, nor have I said anything attacking people who are on it, yet I have been personally attacked throughout this thread for bringing up this issue.

Anyways I’ve said what I’ve wanted, thank you to those who considered what I had to say without resorting to personal attacks.

I don't think many people, if any, think obtaining drugs fraudulently doesn't cause harm. I think what people are saying is if people want to take the risk of fucking themselves up that's their business. As long as they aren't hurting anyone else in the process let them crack on with it. That goes for anything. I'm not concerning myself with what other people stuff up their noses at the weekend, or smoke in their bedrooms, or inject into their bodies. If you're going to care, care about it all. Not just this.

That's not an accurate representation of views on this thread. At least one person has literally said they have lied and will lie to get ongoing treatment. They are perfectly happy to obtain the drugs by deception

It isn't just your own business when it comes to prescription drugs
A Dr has to prescribe them for you
They don't prescribe them you don't get them
The reason for that is that it requires medical knowledge to weigh up the risks and benefits of prescription drugs.
If you lie to the Dr and/ or they did not take precautions to prevent that then it's also their business not just yours

I'm not sure how it's different to lying about your history of psychosis to get 'medical cannabis' or lying about your benzo and alcohol addiction to get diazepam

Those are situations that regularly occur and that I as an NHS Dr wipe up the pieces of on a more than occasional basis.

I am more annoyed at unscrupulous private sector Drs profiteering than I am the people desperate to get prescribed these drugs

No, I'm saying it's not my business what choices people make for themselves. If they lie and then wreck themselves by taking meds that they shouldn't have been taking, that's not my responsibility to solve. Most people do things right. Why should those people have to care and suggest changes because of the people who are knowingly choosing to abuse medication?

If you're referring to me get off your high horse and wind your neck in.

I've lost 4.5 stone and my BMI has gone from obese to normal and I intend to maintain my goal weight if I can, with exercise, healthy eating and Mounjaro every couple of months. At my age and with my propensity to put on weight, my history of emotional eating and even drinking to excess these drugs have been life-changing, helping me not only to get to a healthy weight but change my relationship with food (and drink). As others have pointed out these drugs are prescribed for maintenance as well but assuming that you would have to remain with the same supplier and take it consistently throughout (not forgetting there was a supply issue last year and they became so expensive for a time many of us had to come off them) I have not taken the risk to explain that to them that I am requesting the drug for maintenance. I tried earlier in the process with Boots when I was in the overweight category, nowhere near my goal weight, to explain to them that I was already using it and just looking to change suppliers and they rejected me!

It should be prescribed routinely for maintenance as well but it seems whenever you change suppliers they will only prescribe if your BMI is in the obese category.

It's probably best to wind your neck in before you get off the horse, or you might get your neck tangled up in the reigns 🤷🏻‍♀️

I didn’t say envy. I’m sure you could buy them.

I think people enjoy having what they feel is a moral high ground over overweight people and are furious that obese people can ‘cheat’ to lose weight. They want people to continue to struggle with willpower alone because they can then congratulate themselves on having superior willpower.