To be concerned at the number of people lying to get weight loss jabs?

[sahah]

Not to mention the people buying the unlicensed stuff off of the streets?

I’ve seen it so much lately, this surely can’t end well.

That’s called whataboutery, and is often used to try to shut down a debate.

Being a liar and pumping themselves full of drugs I imagine? 😳

Really not something I'd envy, even if I was overweight.

There's a really aggressive bunch of posters on here who think any query about Wegovy etc is a pop at people who are overweight.

Yeah this. And no envy from me. (As a pp suggested.) I wouldn't have weight loss injections if they were free and delivered to my home. I would never have weight loss surgery either. I have been between 9 stone and 15 and a half stone in my adult life, and am around halfway between the two weights now.

Currently on the 5:2 diet, and going for sturdy/fast 2-3 mile walks, five or six days a week. I have lost 12 pounds in 6 weeks. BY EATING LESS AND EXERCISING MORE. I know radical right?! 😆 Hell would freeze over before I would have surgery - or injections to lose weight. I can't believe people do it ... It's batshit.

And like you said, people nearly ALWAYS regain the weight. When they have weight loss surgery they often regain the weight, and with these weight loss injections they will still regain it - most of them. And as another poster said, many people refuse covid jabs because you don't know the long term effects - but will happily pump this weight loss crap into their body.

@sahah YANBU.

p.s. I have suffered from issues with food, and eating disorders since I was 16 (over 40 years.) And I know it's just common sense, to eat less and exercise more if you want to lose weight. Having LIFE THREATENING surgery for it (or having random crap injected into you) to try to lose weight is bonkers. Really!!!

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the ‘liars’ are generally BMI 29 yo-yo dieters who can’t turn off the food noise

no one with a BMI of 19 is lying to get semiglutides

i’d rather the ‘liars’ didn’t something productive (out of their own pocket) then continue to put on weight and end up with costly lifestyle diseases that are a drain on resources and affect their quality of life

‘eat less move more’ doesn’t help people with disordered eating

...and when people diet by willpower alone, they put the weight back on. It's a risk to all methods of weight loss, not specific to these injections.

Yes, but losing it by willpower alone is not life threatening and costly is it?!

Yes of course, but being reliant on a drug for the rest of your life is not great either - well, I would hate it, maybe people don't care.

I was trying to work out why you think it's an important issue. You haven't really posed much of a debate to shut down.

I'm totally envious of people who can't tell when they've had enough to eat 🙄 Who wouldn't be? I wish I needed drug injections to regulate my appetite!

This reminds me of the dodgy doctors who, in the 1960s-70s, made fortunes by dishing out amphetamine prescriptions to dieting women. Now the dodgy doctors work at online pharmacies; no need for discreet kitchen-table referrals.

By way of disclosure, I'm getting HRT from an online pharmacy as my GP keeps kicking the can down the road. I still wish this semi-deregulation wasn't happening, though.

It's really not that simple as eat less exercise more is it? I do moderate/heavy exercise six days a week for 30-60 minutes and try to eat healthily but in middle age it just gets more difficult, and who is able to maintain a very strict diet and no treats/wine/whatever every day forever? I've read about celebrities being hungry every day of their lives and that's just miserable.

The drugs give you peace of mind and enable you to focus on other things and make better food/drink choices. That really should be available to all as an ongoing thing.

I actually think it would be far worse for my health to slowly put all the weight back on after all that effort (not to mention money!).

@HeySummerWhereAreYou using the injections is not life threatening? And the expense is borne by the patient, no one else. That's a personal choice as to whether it's worth the money. People spend money on weight watchers and the like, Noom, Second Nature and many other weight loss schemes.

I’ve already stated why.

My pharmacist said there are so many faked and unregulated drugs out there- {Online} It's a big money spinner.

Re weight loss drugs- people are looking for a magic bullet so they can eat what they like and be a size 8 -10.

Goodness knows what the side effects of these drugs will be down the line.

people are looking for a magic bullet so they can eat what they like and be a size 8 -10.

That just isn't true. A lot of ignorance on this thread. You still have to make an effort with the drugs, it just gives you a big boost. If you invest in the process you're not going to want to eat what you like but to make healthy choices and the drugs make that easier.

@oakleaffy you can't eat what you like when taking these injections. You really can't. They suppress your appetite and decrease your interest in fatty, salty, sugary foods. You feel full on much smaller quantities of food and stay feeling fuller for longer.

There are no serious long term side effects identified for either Wegovy or Mounjaro after long term large scale international drug trials on humans.

Tell people that an injection is a quick fix, as opposed to changing their eating habits to achieve the same outcome and they will come. People who prescribe should be able to distinguish between people who need it and people who don't fit the criteria, otherwise they shouldn't be able to prescribe ?

Well I'll bite about the envy thing

I have never really been overweight
Top end of healthy BMI and thought I was at times but never really overweight
I am chronically unhappy with my weight and body image though. I have never been thin enough by my own standards. I'd always prefer half a stone less, to get rid of cellulite, have great legs and a six pack
I have to work hard to maintain a weight that I am vaguely happy with. Exercise at least 3 days a week, walk everywhere, always use the stairs, limit unhealthy food, calorie count or fast for a while if my weight is outside my desired parameters
I don't frankly believe that in this obesogenic world we live in there are many people at all who maintain a healthy weight with zero effort certainly not into their 30s and 40s whatever they might say

It should not concern me at all that other people are achieving what I've always had to work hard for with drugs
I am genuinely happy for friends and aquaintances who have struggled and are now achieving success with these drugs.

But yes it does feel like it's cheating in some way.

And on a broader level I worry that it isn't addressing the real issues: the huge availability of UPF, the addiction to this stuff at an early age and cultural normalisation of eating to excess, our sedentary lifestyles glued to screens. Obesity isn't the only bad outcome of this stuff
Is it OK that we just carry on with all this stuff and take a drug to counteract the effects?

Using the injections is not life threatening.

You don't know this. You do NOT know the long term effects!

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These drugs aren't brand new, they've been around for several years now and long-term studies are being published all the time. They are having a massively (pardon the pun) positive effect on people's health - and potentially life-long results too (although obviously those studies need more time to be sure).

The officially and carefully prescribed medicines aren't 'full of crap' nor are they dangerous when used according to the specific guidance given.

I've tried both Oz/Wegovy and Mounjaro and I have literally no side effects with Mounjaro, and have also never heard about any long term side effects. In fact there was a news article yesterday saying:

"Research has already found that semaglutide – also known by the brand names Wegovy and Ozempic – reduced the risk of death in people who were obese or overweight and had cardiovascular disease.

But fresh studies have found that Ozempic has impacts beyond what was originally imagined for the drug. People who took the drug died at a lower rate from all causes, not just from cardiovascular causes, researchers discovered.
“Semaglutide has far-reaching benefits beyond what we initially imagined,” said Prof Harlan Krumholz of the Yale school of medicine. “It’s not just avoiding heart attacks. These are health promoters. It wouldn’t surprise me that improving people’s health this way actually slows down the ageing process.”

https://www.theguardian.com/science/article/2024/aug/31/weight-loss-drugs-ozempic-slow-down-ageing-process-study#:~:text=But%20fresh%20studies%20have%20found,from%20cardiovascular%20causes%2C%20researchers%20discovered.

''This reminds me of the dodgy doctors who, in the 1960s-70s, made fortunes by dishing out amphetamine prescriptions to dieting women. Now the dodgy doctors work at online pharmacies; no need for discreet kitchen-table referrals. ''

THIS!

Parent's neighbours had a stick thin daughter who used to shop at Biba - her mother told my mother that the daughter was accessing amphetamines from Harley Street doctors privately.

The gaunt Whippet like figures of Twiggy &c were helped along with amphetamines.

Of course people could end up in A&E by taking a prescription medication they acquired through deceit by not sharing an accurate medical history.

What an idiotic statement to make. I could do with losing a stone but take a medication that’s almost certainly contra-indicated with weight loss jabs.

Blimey, the people pushing this weight loss drug have definitely got into YOUR head! Even your username is a tribute to it.

And you call it ignorance - I call it common sense.

@HeySummerWhereAreYou these injections have been researched and trialled extensively. They are also already used for other treatments like diabetes. There are no serious long term side effects, we're talking after years of use. This is the same process as any other "new" drug that's developed and brought into use.

Why do you think that this process is inadequate or has failed for these particular treatments?