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AIBU to believe that the cost of living crisis is a load of nonsense

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MaryWils24 · 31/08/2024 09:36

So I wake up this morning to find that 14 million people are trying for Oasis tickets. A mediocre rock band and a “reunion” tour just to create a retirement fund for two already multi-millionaires.

The question is - where are so many people getting the money from to buy tickets? On one hand people moan about the “cost of living” but can easily find £500 to fund this nonsense.

Madness.

People should stop moaning about the cost of living if they can waste money on things like this. They are either getting too much income from their job/benefits (if they can afford this) to complain about “cost of living” or they should stop moaning about increasing food/fuel prices!

Rant over!

OP posts:
Hoardasauruskaren · 01/09/2024 01:42

RufustheFactualReindeer · 31/08/2024 11:16

We put everything on our credit card and then pay it off at the end of the month, its not necessarily the case that you use your credit card cos you can’t afford something

Same! I use a loyalty card credit card for majority of purchases /bills. Pay it off when my salary is paid. Being doing it for years. Had lots of freebies with the points & keeps my credit score healthy ! Financially literate 😜

Cinnamonkie · 01/09/2024 01:44

30% of children live in poverty. In 2014 it was 18%. You can't just make stuff up because you don't have empathy for people suffering the very real cost of living crisis

Tricho · 01/09/2024 01:46

Cinnamonkie · 01/09/2024 01:44

30% of children live in poverty. In 2014 it was 18%. You can't just make stuff up because you don't have empathy for people suffering the very real cost of living crisis

I do

Who I don't have empathy for are the vast majority of people who term themselves as in a cost of living crisis because they have less disposable income.

That is the reality of the situation and its incredibky disingenuous to call it a COL crisis

Thekormachameleon · 01/09/2024 01:47

@Tricho
Yeah I'd point out the flaws in your argument and bother to discuss with you if you didn't seem so intellectually challenged regarding this so I'll leave you to it

Tricho · 01/09/2024 01:49

Cinnamonkie · 01/09/2024 01:44

30% of children live in poverty. In 2014 it was 18%. You can't just make stuff up because you don't have empathy for people suffering the very real cost of living crisis

Source?

Thekormachameleon · 01/09/2024 01:49

I mean 'COL crisis literally refers to household spending rising quicker than income /falls in disposable income but feel free to keep telling g strangers they aren't affected because they can buy gig tickets

Cinnamonkie · 01/09/2024 01:50

Tricho · 01/09/2024 01:46

I do

Who I don't have empathy for are the vast majority of people who term themselves as in a cost of living crisis because they have less disposable income.

That is the reality of the situation and its incredibky disingenuous to call it a COL crisis

Most people are in it.
Just because they're not begging at your ankles doesn't mean they aren't in it and making up random stuff to try and prove your point is just daft.

Tricho · 01/09/2024 01:50

I'm not making anything up

Tricho · 01/09/2024 01:51

Thekormachameleon · 01/09/2024 01:47

@Tricho
Yeah I'd point out the flaws in your argument and bother to discuss with you if you didn't seem so intellectually challenged regarding this so I'll leave you to it

Please do point out the flaws in my argument

Cinnamonkie · 01/09/2024 01:51

Tricho · 01/09/2024 01:49

Source?

Lordslibrary.parliament.uk

Cinnamonkie · 01/09/2024 01:52

Tricho · 01/09/2024 01:51

Please do point out the flaws in my argument

Edited

Flaws are you've made up a bunch of stuff to fit your narrative despite the facts showing there is a cost of living crisis.

Gowlett · 01/09/2024 01:55

I think the Oasis gigs have been a little glimmer of hope for a lot of people, and a reminder of simpler times / glory days.

The debacle with the tickets has upset so many because it reminds of where we are now, and of how things used to be…

Cinnamonkie · 01/09/2024 01:55

Tricho · 01/09/2024 01:23

FYI, that figure of 14 million has hovered around that number since about 2015.

As has the homeless figures, and unemployment is actually lower than the majority of the past 10 years.

Not for one moment am I saying the nunbers of those in poverty or homeless or employed arent too high

what I am saying is that the COL "crisis" is sensationalised beyond belief.

For the majority it is a disposable income adjustment that we prefer to call a crisis.

That's the uncomfortable truth and that is what the OP is getting at

Edited

As has the homeless figures, and unemployment is actually lower than the majority of the past 10 years.
Compare the UK to Argentina, where the % of their population in poverty has essentially doubled since 2018 whereas ours has remained level over the past 10 years

There's a few 'facts' you made up

Tricho · 01/09/2024 01:56

Cinnamonkie · 01/09/2024 01:51

Lordslibrary.parliament.uk

And for the 2014 figure?

According to **Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) - Households Below Average Income (HBAI) report the % of children in poverty was 28% in 2014

Again, not for one moment saying this is OK, but let's not pretend the majority of the country has been thrown into abject poverty overnight

Funny how no one gave a shit then yet because now the majority have to go without the odd luxury it's a "cost of living crisis"

Tricho · 01/09/2024 01:58

Cinnamonkie · 01/09/2024 01:55

As has the homeless figures, and unemployment is actually lower than the majority of the past 10 years.
Compare the UK to Argentina, where the % of their population in poverty has essentially doubled since 2018 whereas ours has remained level over the past 10 years

There's a few 'facts' you made up

INDEC of Argentina % in poverty 2017 (forgive me one year): 26%

% in poverty 2023: 40%

Ruffpuff · 01/09/2024 01:59

This thread must’ve been created for the drama.

I work 40-50 hrs a week in a high pressured, degree required role. I get to pay my bills (most of them) and nothing else.

Don’t look at me here crying because I’ve been priced out of cereal and coffee. I would love to see Oasis, but I think you’ll find those buying tickets don’t represent the population as a whole.

Cinnamonkie · 01/09/2024 02:00

The number of people in food insecure households rose by around 2.5 million people between 2021/22 and 2022/23, from 4.7 million to 7.2 million

Absolute low income increased by 500,000 people before housing costs and 600,000 people after housing costs in the year to 2022/23

From commons library but according to you nothing has changed in a decade. Give me strength.

In 2014, 6.5% of the UK population were in persistent poverty ons.gov.uk

Why is it so difficult for you to accept facts?

Cinnamonkie · 01/09/2024 02:01

Tricho · 01/09/2024 01:58

INDEC of Argentina % in poverty 2017 (forgive me one year): 26%

% in poverty 2023: 40%

Ours has not remained level for 10 years

Tricho · 01/09/2024 02:02

Cinnamonkie · 01/09/2024 01:55

As has the homeless figures, and unemployment is actually lower than the majority of the past 10 years.
Compare the UK to Argentina, where the % of their population in poverty has essentially doubled since 2018 whereas ours has remained level over the past 10 years

There's a few 'facts' you made up

DWP HBAI report, % of uk in poverty

  1. *2023*: Approximately 21% (estimate)
  2. *2022*: Approximately 22%
  3. *2021*: Approximately 22%
  4. *2020*: Approximately 22%
  5. *2019*: Approximately 22%
  6. *2018*: Approximately 22%
  7. *2017*: Approximately 22%
  8. *2016*: Approximately 22%
  9. *2015*: Approximately 21%
10. *2014*: Approximately 21% 11. *2013*: Approximately 21%

But please tell me more about this brand new cost of living crisis were all in because disposable income is down

Cinnamonkie · 01/09/2024 02:04

Tricho · 01/09/2024 02:02

DWP HBAI report, % of uk in poverty

  1. *2023*: Approximately 21% (estimate)
  2. *2022*: Approximately 22%
  3. *2021*: Approximately 22%
  4. *2020*: Approximately 22%
  5. *2019*: Approximately 22%
  6. *2018*: Approximately 22%
  7. *2017*: Approximately 22%
  8. *2016*: Approximately 22%
  9. *2015*: Approximately 21%
10. *2014*: Approximately 21% 11. *2013*: Approximately 21%

But please tell me more about this brand new cost of living crisis were all in because disposable income is down

Please email the office of national statistics and tell them how wrong they are. Please also ignore the facts of food banks and warm home discounts and benefits being used to support people who can't afford to actually live. Jeez it must be nice in that bubble of yours.

Tricho · 01/09/2024 02:07

Cinnamonkie · 01/09/2024 02:04

Please email the office of national statistics and tell them how wrong they are. Please also ignore the facts of food banks and warm home discounts and benefits being used to support people who can't afford to actually live. Jeez it must be nice in that bubble of yours.

Resorting to emotion when shown that the facts I "made up" are actually true .

OK.

Again, I'm not saying these numbers are OK, what I am saying is that the narrative that the country was thrown into abject poverty quickly and remains there due to a "crisis" is disingenuous

Tricho · 01/09/2024 02:07

Cinnamonkie · 01/09/2024 02:01

Ours has not remained level for 10 years

Has it not?

Tricho · 01/09/2024 02:08

Cinnamonkie · 01/09/2024 02:00

The number of people in food insecure households rose by around 2.5 million people between 2021/22 and 2022/23, from 4.7 million to 7.2 million

Absolute low income increased by 500,000 people before housing costs and 600,000 people after housing costs in the year to 2022/23

From commons library but according to you nothing has changed in a decade. Give me strength.

In 2014, 6.5% of the UK population were in persistent poverty ons.gov.uk

Why is it so difficult for you to accept facts?

The last line of your post is so funny to me

Cinnamonkie · 01/09/2024 02:10

Tricho · 01/09/2024 02:07

Has it not?

No as I have proven should you care to check the facts given by the house of commons

Cinnamonkie · 01/09/2024 02:13

I think you're looking at relative income poverty and I'm looking at persistent poverty.

Regardless, people didn't need food banks, help with heating costs and benefits to top up wages 10 years ago.

The fact that people are working and still need to claim benefits is a crisis.

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