To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees

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https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

This is a letter from a female employee of John Lewis's Cheadle branch. John Lewis told its female employees that they have to share toilets and locker rooms with trans identifying men. The employee says this is having a terrible effect especially on colleagues who have experienced trauma relating to men or who have religious reasons to not want to share a space with someone who is the opposite sex.

I was already on the fence about them after their partner magazine earlier this year had a TIM with a whip in their Pride edition - and all the rest.

No, they've legally changed gender, the clue is in the name. GRC, not SRC.

Even if it did mean they'd legally changed sex it still wouldn't mean that they actually have. They haven't, and never will.

"Cutting off nose to spite face" usually implies that we are somehow disadvantaging ourselves in the process. How? What hardships are we enduring by taking our business elsewhere?

There's an independent (well, owned by Ulster Stores but close enough) department store near me. I'll start with that. Almost all of my food shopping is with independent businesses already.

Though my environmentalist outlook limits consumerism anyway.

I've known they were compromising female spaces for a while, not just for the staff but for female customers as well. Not that it would matter to me if it was restricted to a staff / employer dispute because any loss of women's ability to say "no" to men is a slippery slope that ends in a very grim place.

Neither John Lewis nor Waitrose have had a penny out of me since I found out, and nor will they unless they change their policy.

Fuck them.

Gosh, the amount of posters who are claiming they believe in hocus, pocus magic. Humans changing sex now. I presume they also believe humans can change into other species. These men are so amazing, they can do impossible things. However, the scary thing is that they seem to think that women must just accept as fact that a bloke is now a woman if he says so. Otherwise, you’d be “DISGUSTING”. By that logic, I’d presume you’d be the “DISGUSTING” also if you didn’t accept he was a jet plane or a horse, on his say so.

Well, now. Isn’t that just the open door for dodgy men? And, a coach and four through any safeguarding for children. It is practically all men who commit these crimes of voyeurism, exposure, and sexual assaults. Well done to those who are trying their hardest to facilitate such opportunities, with easy access. All the while labelling women as “DISGUSTING” if they object.

You’d have to wonder who these people are.

p.s. The poster I read had “DISGUSTING” in caps, so I thought I’d faithfully replicate same.

Ah, the name is indeed what you say and it seems reasonable to assume that it follows they have legally changed gender. However, you relied upon reason rather than the minds of our legislators, who in their collective 'wisdom' wrote into the Act the following provision which occurs under the heading

Consequences of issue of gender recognition certificate etc.

General

Where a full gender recognition certificate is issued to a person, the person’s gender becomes for all purposes the acquired gender (so that, if the acquired gender is the male gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a man and, if it is the female gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a woman).

You may think it's an odd statement, surreal even, with a non sequitur at its heart. I couldn't possibly disagree but there it is. I wish I were making this up.

Not the first time JL has been in the news for allowing trans rights to trump women’s rights.

They very captured 🙄

How many TIMs do we have on this thread?

And nostalgic for the never undersold policy. Nostalgic for knowledgeable staff. Nostalgic for great variety of merchandise in homewares & appliances. Can still find some product experts at Oxford Street … recently visited Exeter store which is shockingly empty for such a giant building.

Or JL could just replace stalls with single bathrooms and the problem is solved. Stall bathrooms at work are weird.

I'm really heartened by the number of people on here who are happy to share their intimate spaces with men. They've clearly never been made to feel uncomfortable or assaulted by males. I'm pleased about that because most of the women I know have. You're very lucky. But you don't get to consent for the rest of us. Consent is not transferable. Until every women agrees to males being in these spaces (and you'll never get that agreement. Ever) it's a firm no. I don't care if your lovely trans friend wouldn't hurt a fly - they need to be offered an alternative, it shouldn't be on women to give up their spaces to accommodate somebody for whom these spaces were not designed.

On JL more specifically, used to love the place - nice middle class stuff for nice middle class people. We used to buy a lot of stuff there at Christmas - games, stocking fillers, decorations etc. Went last Christmas and it was crap, struggled to find anything to spend money on. The stock was very limited and the staff appeared to be lacking the pride that JL staff used to have. To be honest I don't think it'll be long before they close all their stores, they should be looking to their core demographic to save them but they're doing the opposite. Why would you alienate women who are the very people who work in your stores and shop there. They deserve to go under. I will happily boycott anywhere that doesn't actively support women and doesn't understand the basics of doing good business.

It’s straightforward - give women spaces that are for women only. If some women are happy to share changing rooms with men then they can use the men’s changing area. Men who say that they are women can also use men’s changing spaces.

Which is why the only solution is individual loos like accessible ones (lockers can be anywhere - ours are just along a wall in the office at work) and then they can only use unisex spaces, whether they like it or not.

As I said in my first post above, JL stores are large, so there's ample space to rejig the loos and changing areas.

And entire malls too if they have toilets.

Except this doesn't validate the feelings of AGPs

I don’t know what AGP stands for?

Autogynephile. Something women should be aware of where this issue is concerned.

It is a weird way to do it

man who identifies as a woman doesn’t want to be in the male changing room/toilet

JL: Move them into the female changing room/toilet

female/s don’t want males in the female changing room/toilet

JL: Move those females into a 3rd space

much more logical to have a 3rd space for men who identify as women and anyone else who fancies being in there

Thanks. I’ve looked it up now. Women shouldn’t be the people to have to put up with this. It needs turning around and let’s see how men feel when their men’s only spaces are removed.

There's no money to do this

JL too afraid of a Translobby hissy-fit that might damage sales.
Sadly Female women hissy-fits change nothing and don’t scare JL despite female Women being majority of customers.

I was in loos the other day and they had turned the ladies into mixed sex toilets (mens were still mens obvs)

i had two men in the queue behind me, then my dad turned up and another man behind him

i leaned round pointed and said ‘thats the gents daddy’

all 4 men peeled off and went to the gents…they didn’t seem keen to use the mixed sex toilets 🤔…I’m sure a lot of the women didn’t either but obviously we had no choice

I think the difference is GC women having a hissy fit (your words not mine) is not a majority of their customers. GC women having a hissy fit who actually put their money where their mouth is and boycott the convenience of ordering in to Waitrose, even less so…

I'm absolutely appalled at the number of women on this thread who don't care at all because they don't feel it affects them. The apathy is shocking, not to mention the lack of empathy. It's truly depressing. There will be no hissy fit - the trans lobby will be louder in their victimhood.