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Skye109 · 28/08/2024 21:23

Please can someone explain this report to me??
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/articles/cqxjq7x17qzo

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PrawnAgain · 01/09/2024 10:35

OonaStubbs · 01/09/2024 10:19

There absolutely is a proper way to speak and write English. It is patronising to say otherwise.

But this is a different language. They are not trying to speak uk English anymore than you are trying to speak pidgin English.

moppety · 01/09/2024 10:39

Speaking of 'actual English people', many global organisations use American English, not what you would call 'proper English' spoken by 'actual English people' anyway. There is no 'proper English'. Just accepted ways of writing and speaking that vary hugely across regions and oceans.

I edit routinely in both British English and American English and there is plenty of variance between them, both in terms of usage and grammar. If American English is the language of global business, then which English really is the 'proper' one? Maybe you're speaking the wrong one Smile

ErrolTheDragon · 01/09/2024 10:46

OonaStubbs · 01/09/2024 10:30

If your English is better than better than most actual English people, and you also speak Pidgin, those are two different things. And when you speak English you are speaking proper English.

People who only speak Pidgin would not be able to become a surgeon.

There you go. They're two different things.

CellophaneFlower · 01/09/2024 10:57

ErrolTheDragon · 01/09/2024 10:30

There are many 'proper' ways, depending on context, location and of course time.

I work for a global scientific software company. The proper way for us to write English is, unsurprisingly, using American spellings and styles, unless there's some technical language where there's an international body which has defined a standard. So for instance, Aluminium and sulfur, not aluminum or sulphur. British idioms should be avoided, obviously.

You've worked there too long, as we use aluminium 😂

ErrolTheDragon · 01/09/2024 11:04

Yes, 'aluminium' is what I said we use , like 'sulfur' it's the IUPAC standard spelling . We don't use either the American 'aluminum' or British 'sulphur'.

But it's always 'Color' not 'colour' etc.

CellophaneFlower · 01/09/2024 11:15

ErrolTheDragon · 01/09/2024 11:04

Yes, 'aluminium' is what I said we use , like 'sulfur' it's the IUPAC standard spelling . We don't use either the American 'aluminum' or British 'sulphur'.

But it's always 'Color' not 'colour' etc.

But you'd put aluminium with sulfer, I was just pointing that out, being pedantic!

ErrolTheDragon · 01/09/2024 11:25

But you'd put aluminium with sulfer, I was just pointing that out, being pedantic!

You're missing my point- we're properly pedantic and conform to the internationally agreed standard spellings for elements. Grin According to this, aluminium and sulfur are correct. This is an example of when - unlike most other variations - there is a defined 'proper' spelling.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 01/09/2024 11:27

OonaStubbs · 01/09/2024 10:30

If your English is better than better than most actual English people, and you also speak Pidgin, those are two different things. And when you speak English you are speaking proper English.

People who only speak Pidgin would not be able to become a surgeon.

Two different languages, two different purposes.

One is for living and working in the UK, becoming a surgeon, etc, etc.

The other is for 75m+ people in 15 countries who need to communicate with others who between them speak over 500 languages and multiple dialects.

PS - if people only spoke West African Pidgin, that would make it a Creole, not a Pidgin. Or is it just that their first/second/third languages don't count in your mind?

CellophaneFlower · 01/09/2024 11:29

ErrolTheDragon · 01/09/2024 11:25

But you'd put aluminium with sulfer, I was just pointing that out, being pedantic!

You're missing my point- we're properly pedantic and conform to the internationally agreed standard spellings for elements. Grin According to this, aluminium and sulfur are correct. This is an example of when - unlike most other variations - there is a defined 'proper' spelling.

Oh OK, I thought you meant the spelling Americans use vs English!

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