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to honestley wonder, why have children if you WANT to work fulltime and are not prepared to make ANY sacrifices?

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milkgoddessmakesthefinestmilk · 17/04/2008 15:48

i don't mean parents that HAVE to work to provide.

i mean the ones that choose to for no other reason, other than they enjoy their job so much.
if you enjoy your job so much, thats great.
but what i really do not understand is why have children?
no one makes any of these parents have children, you can go though life without having children.

this is 100% genuine question, i just do not get it.

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Chequers · 17/04/2008 21:16

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PosieParker · 17/04/2008 21:17

Scottish mummy it is the job description of being a mother that you dount your choices, surely. And I can still say I've never met anyone as I've never met you

mylovelymonster · 17/04/2008 21:17

is this still running? Doesn't anyone have ironing to do, fgs?
Hi SM

ibblewob · 17/04/2008 21:17

For all the SAHM's reading this thread... When I took DD to the registrar's office to get her birth certificate I had to say what DH and I did. DH fine, in banking etc etc.

Me: "I'm a housewife".

Registrar (a woman): "Oh... let's put down what you did before."

Me: "No, that's what I do now and will be doing for the forseeable future."

Registrar: "But when men are unemployed we normally say what job they did before..."

PosieParker · 17/04/2008 21:18

doubt, am I using a chinese keyboard tonight????

scottishmummy · 17/04/2008 21:21

oh more winemy JD is every hour god sends, any damn thing, and no long lies EVER dont have the time for self doubt

PosieParker · 17/04/2008 21:21

Dd refusing to sleep so I'm off, loved the debate and now off to stay up with dd because I've no job to get up for!!
Except look after three children and get them to school.

mylovelymonster · 17/04/2008 21:21

I don't think the 6 week old baby question was from the OP. It seems to be an extreme example someone else has chucked in to try & justify a position, hence general apathy to said Q. HTH x

francagoestohollywood · 17/04/2008 21:22

well said monkeybird

CristinaTheAstonishing · 17/04/2008 21:23

DH had a look over my shoulder and sighed "God, is that ALL your MN ever talk about?"

mylovelymonster · 17/04/2008 21:24

SM - if you do manage to salvage any SM time, certainly don't waste it on self doubt - go and have a soak in the tub x

ALMummy · 17/04/2008 21:25

I am speechless ibblewob but do you know I have just looked at both DC birth certificates and on both my profession is listed as the job I was doing 5 years ago when DS was born. I have been a SAHM for 5 years and DD is only 19 months old yet I am still listed as that job for her too. I didnt go to register either of them as I had C sections with both. DH did them both. Obviously I have looked at the certificates many times but I never picked up on that.

scottishmummy · 17/04/2008 21:25

im too tanked for da bath

Monkeybird · 17/04/2008 21:25

let's all hug and gang up on the child haters instead?

onebatmother · 17/04/2008 21:25

Ah! Finally found my oar. Shall I hold it up close to you so that you can see what's written in teeny-weeny letters on the side?

(FWIW I am a lifelong feminist)

OP is asking a question which, while closely related to offensive questions, is not intrinsically offensive.

I think most of us have observed that children would like to be with one or both of their children as much as they can.

This is rarely possible, but when it is, it is reasonable to ask, at least, why their parents won't give them what they want. If, that is, they put their child's needs before their own.

And - to preempt - it is also reasonable to talk about 'putting a child's needs before one's own', despite the fact that language like this has been used in the past to justify and support the repression of women. Simply because an idea has been co-opted by a repressive ideology doesn't make the idea repressive in and of itself. A child's needs cannot be met by the child. They must be met by a parent.

The fact that the same question is not asked of men is very unfair. But it does not mean that it must not be asked of women. We are individuals, finally, who make individual moral choices. A moral wrong (which this may, or may not be) is still a moral wrong however many others make that choice.

The question then being asked, and the answer "because I don't want to be with my child, although I know s/he wants to be with me" being given, it is reasonable to ask them whether they are truly suited to parenthood.

Madamez makes a very acute point, I think. Perhaps the insidious pressure is that to have babies at all, without giving up 'womanliness'.

What she doesn't articulate is that the reason that some people aren't constitutionally suited to children is because they aren't constitutionally suited to this form of self-abnegation.

And elsewhere:
The point about wanting people, not babies, is rather disingenuous (or dramatically misinformed, re biology). People come from babies.

The point about paying the mortgage, while practical, is not in itself an argument-stopper. There are always smaller mortgages, shiter areas.

'not all women are earth mother, nurturing types'. Indeed no, and I would fight for the death to these women's right not to have children.

MrsMattie asks with irony, how dare a woman do something bcs she enjoys it. Again, I would fight to the blah blah, but I have to acknowledge that the situation is different when children, who have not agency or choice, are or might be adversely affected by this choice. My moral sense as a human being (I know this is not a politically neutral term) would outweigh my feminist principles.

Several people have posted along the lines of 'it never did my children/my friend's children any harm.' Because we can't see unhappiness in children does not mean that it is not there, as many of us can attest from our own experiences.

Cat64 thinks babies don't care who's looking after them, and I'm wondering whether she had a different kind of baby from the kind I had.

Xenia has missed the point entirely, again.

ALMummy · 17/04/2008 21:27

"some babies are in FT nursery at 6 weeks i think its a shame."

That was from the OP

Oblomov · 17/04/2008 21:29

Rosieparker, you have never met a mum who doesn't have misgivings ?
Meet me. I am lucky enough to work p/t. I am happy with that. Very happy. I have the best of both worlds.

cat64 · 17/04/2008 21:31

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mylovelymonster · 17/04/2008 21:32

They are???????? I didn't think nurseries took babies younger than 6 months, some at three months, but 6 weeks??
Am astonished.

policywonk · 17/04/2008 21:32

Ah, very well put OBM. You have stuck your head further over the parapet than I did...

CristinaTheAstonishing · 17/04/2008 21:32

ALMummy - not in the first post, no. Her main argument wasn't whether it's right or not to have children in nursery from 6 weeks, it was far more general and idiotic than that.

Monkeybird · 17/04/2008 21:33

Excellent philosophy onebat. But I don't think where you stop is the end of the story?

When parents work they are meeting other needs of the child. Sometimes. The child might not choose this as the most important, had they the agency to do so. Or indeed the parent might not choose this as the most important either (working as opposed to meeting the need the child would prefer). But parents have to balance their choices and requirements with others.

Why can't people be complex and want to be with their child AND want to work?

policywonk · 17/04/2008 21:34

To repeat: there are LOADS of six-week-old babies in full-time daycare in the USA. Just because it's happening across the pond, doesn't mean it's not happening.

cat64 · 17/04/2008 21:35

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booblue · 17/04/2008 21:35

I love being a sahm
I would`nt change it

Its a choice I made with dh

So I don`t have the latest clothes bags etc etc
2 holidays a year big house I could go on

A snotty kiss as My kids comes out of school is priceless

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