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To hate it when men sit sideways on to you and watch

126 replies

amoreoamicizia · 26/08/2024 12:46

This is happening now: I'm by the seaside, enjoying lunch on a bank holiday in the sun. The seating's a bench set up. I'm away from the the main groups of people, enjoying the view, when a man comes and sits sideways on to me so he's watching me eat! I loathe it when people do this. Just sit facing forward, you weirdos! You're watching me eat at close quarters and ruining my lunch! And since I noticed this behaviour I've also noticed that it's always men that do it. AIBU to say sit facing forwards, strange random men!

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Combattingthemoaners · 26/08/2024 23:38

Lucy25 · 26/08/2024 23:28

It’s not about being right or wrong, it’s understanding not everyone is going to agree with your opinion, regardless of being a school teacher.To say someone is using their height, insinuating, to gain control, isn’t helpful.

Okay then. Men (or in this case boys) don’t ever use their size advantage to gain control or intimidate women and girls. Is that more helpful?

blueshoes · 26/08/2024 23:41

Lucy25 · 26/08/2024 23:28

It’s not about being right or wrong, it’s understanding not everyone is going to agree with your opinion, regardless of being a school teacher.To say someone is using their height, insinuating, to gain control, isn’t helpful.

No one framed it as about being right or wrong. Nobody is trying to be "helpful" either - what strange politician-double speak is this? We are giving views as a forum. We are free to disagree with one another.

Lucy25 · 26/08/2024 23:42

Combattingthemoaners · 26/08/2024 23:26

Using their height means actively using the height advantage to intimidate. Standing over me/peering down/covering doors/blocking corridors. Lots and lots of people are taller than me, I am 5’4. I know the difference between someone being taller and someone using their height to intimidate me or others.

I do understand what the term, using their height means, l just don’t think it’s very helpful

blueshoes · 26/08/2024 23:42

Combattingthemoaners · 26/08/2024 23:38

Okay then. Men (or in this case boys) don’t ever use their size advantage to gain control or intimidate women and girls. Is that more helpful?

The use of absurdity does not "help" your case. You are on thin ground and are struggling to defend it.

blueshoes · 26/08/2024 23:46

blueshoes · 26/08/2024 23:42

The use of absurdity does not "help" your case. You are on thin ground and are struggling to defend it.

Apologies, I thought the last post was from @Lucy25

Combattingthemoaners · 26/08/2024 23:51

No worries! I was trying to be more helpful to the poster by pretending my real life experience is made up. That is what she wants to hear I think. I feel bad for derailing the OP’s thread now! Hope she gets her lunch in peace tomorrow.

Lucy25 · 26/08/2024 23:51

blueshoes · 26/08/2024 23:41

No one framed it as about being right or wrong. Nobody is trying to be "helpful" either - what strange politician-double speak is this? We are giving views as a forum. We are free to disagree with one another.

It was actually you, that used the word wrong, l’m not going to quote you on it.Yes l agree, we are free to disagree with one another and that’s what l did, l didn’t agree with a comment.Ironically now, you’re disagreeing with a word l used ‘helpful’.

Lucy25 · 26/08/2024 23:56

Combattingthemoaners · 26/08/2024 23:34

Also, can I add to the above by saying these are boys I teach. I see them every day and interact with every day. I hear their opinions and see how they treat girls who are their peers and female staff. I’m not sure why I’m being told my experience is mere hysteria.

I definitely not saying your experience is mere hysteria.I just didn’t agree with your comment and that was all.

blueshoes · 26/08/2024 23:58

Lucy25 · 26/08/2024 23:51

It was actually you, that used the word wrong, l’m not going to quote you on it.Yes l agree, we are free to disagree with one another and that’s what l did, l didn’t agree with a comment.Ironically now, you’re disagreeing with a word l used ‘helpful’.

You will have trouble quoting me because I did not use the word 'wrong'.

DeathpunchDan · 27/08/2024 00:03

My 21 year old daughter looks them in the eye and barks like a dog when dealing with crap like this. They soon move away🤣

Lucy25 · 27/08/2024 00:05

blueshoes · 26/08/2024 23:42

The use of absurdity does not "help" your case. You are on thin ground and are struggling to defend it.

I wasn’t aware we were in court and l had to defend myself.I’d rather just draw a line under this and just move on.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 27/08/2024 00:09

PerkyMintDeer · 26/08/2024 13:18

Well, I just felt very self conscious and vulnerable. And blamed myself because I was wearing one of my tops that was designed to be easy for breastfeeding but hadn't realised some arsehole men would see the "easy access" as being for them.

Could you have complained about them to the cafe owner?

PerkyMintDeer · 27/08/2024 00:12

ifIwerenotanandroid · 27/08/2024 00:09

Could you have complained about them to the cafe owner?

I posted again up thread and explained I did tell the manager but nothing ever gets done to resolve it.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 27/08/2024 00:29

PerkyMintDeer · 27/08/2024 00:12

I posted again up thread and explained I did tell the manager but nothing ever gets done to resolve it.

OK sorry, didn't RTFT. I'd go to a different cafe then, if the owner's like that.

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 27/08/2024 11:29

FictionalCharacter · 26/08/2024 22:34

😂Or belch, snort, cough with your mouth open and be as disgusting as possible!

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Ooooh yeah, like the 'lass' on White Chicks! 😆

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 27/08/2024 11:35

JohnTheRevelator · 26/08/2024 22:27

Bloody hell. What is it with these men? Talk about not taking no for an answer. Male over- entitlement at it's very finest. And I totally agree with you about hating being watched while I'm eating. I don't even like friends or family watching me! I have a male friend who is lovely in nearly every way,but I will not eat in his company unless he is eating too. He makes me feel really on edge the way he watches my hand/fork/spoon going from the plate to my mouth,as if it's the most fascinating thing he's ever seen! I know he probably doesn't even realise that he's doing it,and I'm sure if I said something he'd be mortified!

@JohnTheRevelator

Yep, the entitlement of men. I mean NAMALT blah blah blah, but a large percentage of them are! And yeah, isn't it weird how some of them stare at you (sometimes) when you're eating?!

As I said, DH watches me sometimes, not often, but if he does, it will be when it's only me eating and not him. I asked him once 'why are you watching me eating?!!!' He said 'I just think you look so cute!' 🤗

I thought 'Oh FGS, just fuck off will you?!' Hmm 'CUTE?!'

I may look a lot of things when I'm eating, but I'm pretty sure CUTE isn't one of them! Shock

Dweetfidilove · 27/08/2024 11:40

BeachRide · 26/08/2024 12:57

Turn to face him and keep eating without breaking eye contact. Growl occasionally. He'll move.

🤣🤣🤣

Inlaw · 27/08/2024 12:36

Well it’s a bit late now but next time pick up the phone and loudly exclaim how you are in the midst of recovering from a horrific and incredibly contagious norovirus.

labamba007 · 28/08/2024 10:47

@PussGirl does your ex know he's doing it?

PussGirl · 28/08/2024 11:24

labamba007 · 28/08/2024 10:47

@PussGirl does your ex know he's doing it?

I told him so he must have known even if he hadn’t realised before. He didn’t think there was a problem.

Flittingaboutagain · 28/08/2024 13:51

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/08/2024 12:57

AgnesX · Today 12:56
I guess I've never been beautiful enough to have strange men watch me eat or man spread around me.”

I find in cafes it’s usually women who say “mind if I join you?”. I always say yes.

OK but please don't be rude about it. I am very happy to be joined by another woman looking for a chat as if I'm out alone it's a rare treat to have adult conversation as a SAHM.

henlake7 · 28/08/2024 14:02

PussGirl · 26/08/2024 22:22

Yes I get it. My now ex stands too close to women and looms over them. It feels threatening.

I dont have a problem with this. Even though Im only 5'5 Ive discovered that Im also abit of a twat and will purposefully ignore personal space if someone 'tries' to loom.
I will happily play a very uncomfortable game of chicken with someone until they move! Alot of the time they dont know they are doing it (esp alpha male types) but I always know what Im doing and thoroughly enjoy their increasing levels of discomfort until they sidle away!LOL

I dont get the bench thing though....Ive never seen anybody twist themselves to sit on a bench sideways unless they were talking to a friend.

ScienceGreek · 28/08/2024 14:17

I don’t think I’ve experienced this before when I’ve been eating/enjoying a coffee or if I have, I didn’t notice. It would really annoy me if a guy did that though. I think I would just make a point of turning my back to him in an exaggerated manner.

It’s probably ridiculous, but I tend to avoid eye contact with men if I’m on my own, it’s something I got used to doing when I lived in London. I found that if I accidentally locked eyes with a man (a creepy one, not every man obviously) on the tube/overground/any public transport, and I was on my own, he would keep looking my way and stare the whole journey. It’s like me looking at him once became an open invitation.

Icannotremembermyusername · 29/08/2024 07:26

Weirdly I was trying to explain this exact thing to another male friend , I was away on business and had breakfast a little later than the masses in the restaurant. I was the only one in there and two guys showed up and sat at the closest next table side by side looking right at me! The whole bloody room was empty! I felt so self conscious! And when I explained to my friend how awful I felt he just couldn’t see it!! Said what was my problem and that I should be flattered! FFS !

amoreoamicizia · 29/08/2024 10:49

@Icannotremembermyusername I must admit I was fully expecting a pile-on of YABUs when I posted this. Interesting to hear that at least some women know exactly what I'm talking about. I think to some extent I can understand your friend not getting it; I think it's a phenomenon I wasn't aware of until one day something made me take notice.

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