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AIBU to say it's not "ect"

579 replies

IceCreamWoes · 23/08/2024 21:21

I've seen about 8 threads in the last 2 days with posters writing ect when they obviously mean etc. I probably am being U but it really does irrationally fucking irritate me!

I need to get out more, yes. I've had two (big) glasses of wine 😂.

So, am I?

OP posts:
Catdoorman · 24/08/2024 10:53

Or should of, instead of should have.

HotCrossBunplease · 24/08/2024 10:54

WickieRoy · 24/08/2024 09:53

Were you in the same homes with the same parents? Because that is far more relevant to the culture, poverty and lack of opportunity referred to than the school you attended.

Yeah I can buy that argument in terms of overall achievement, but I think it’s a total cop out to say that having parents who are poor or not well educated themselves means you can’t shut the fuck up in class and listen when the teacher explains apostrophes.

ThePrologue · 24/08/2024 10:56

Sharptonguedwoman · 24/08/2024 09:13

Think it might be archaic English that we exported, stopped using and then object to when we get it back. Like Halloween.

Yes, it was an OE word, went to USA with the MAyflower passengers and stuck.
We stopped using it when someone woke up to the fact that is one of the ugliest words in the English language!
Got isn't much better. What is wrong with 'I have' rather than 'I've got' (i have got an apple - the got is unnecessary here, you can say I've an apple)

HotCrossBunplease · 24/08/2024 10:56

And my point is that people who had the right opportunities for education but waste them can’t describe themselves as having a lack of education. They can describe themselves as coming from a culture or background that did not value education. But they had the opportunity right there.

ThePrologue · 24/08/2024 10:56

I think I will never leave this thread! Loving it

eggandchip · 24/08/2024 10:57

Play dates/ boundaries/ im broken and many more get my teeth itching.
Most threads are over exaggerated 8 out of ten threads start with i him my child has SEN.
To be honest MN is the only place ive come across that has the most parents with SEN needs.
And older mums never really hear of a mum on hear in their 20 when you its oh your so young to be doing this.
Ok if you knocking on 50 and your child will most likely be you carer.

ThePrologue · 24/08/2024 10:58

Floatlikeafeather2 · 24/08/2024 09:22

My current real annoyance is bear/bare. I had never noticed it until I joined Mumsnet, where it's a several times a day problem and now I see that it's everywhere, even in things written by people who write for a living. At least it's one where you do usually know what people mean, I suppose. Been/ being is a really puzzling one - how can anyone confuse them?

bare with me while I explain....

PolePrince55 · 24/08/2024 10:59

There are wee things similar to this that annoy me also

PolePrince55 · 24/08/2024 11:00

Yous / use = You

Goodadvice1980 · 24/08/2024 11:01

Lose / Loose 🥴

StarryDance · 24/08/2024 11:02

Ilovecleaning · 24/08/2024 09:51

Where the F**K do you get the idea that I took ‘the piss’ out of her? And I didn’t mention ‘friends’ at all. Jesus.

It's 'fuck' not 'F**K'

WickieRoy · 24/08/2024 11:04

ThePrologue · 24/08/2024 10:56

Yes, it was an OE word, went to USA with the MAyflower passengers and stuck.
We stopped using it when someone woke up to the fact that is one of the ugliest words in the English language!
Got isn't much better. What is wrong with 'I have' rather than 'I've got' (i have got an apple - the got is unnecessary here, you can say I've an apple)

It remained in use on this side of the Atlantic. It's a perfectly normal everyday word.

Lifeinlists · 24/08/2024 11:08

Jacopo · 24/08/2024 10:13

I agree. But it was this new use of excited for instead of excited about that I was puzzled about.

Probably imported from the US via You Tube, microsoft etc etc? We used to be 'two nations divided by a common language' but increasingly US English seems to be the default, including spelling.

Apologies to any US citizens if 'excited for' didn't originate there.

blankittyblank · 24/08/2024 11:14

provemewrongthen · 23/08/2024 22:25

Rest bite.

What do people even think that is?

To be fair, this actually makes sense. You have a bite to eat, and a rest.

Abitofalark · 24/08/2024 11:24

Jacopo · 24/08/2024 09:47

In addition to the use of ‘on accident’ mentioned above (instead of ‘by accident’), there has also been an almost universal takeover by ‘excited for’, especially among younger people. It used to be ‘I am excited about going to the party’. Excited ‘for’ used to be used only if people were excited on behalf of others. ‘You’re going to Italy? I’m excited for you!’
I would be very interested to know how and why this change has occurred. As others have said, language changes are fascinating.

I didn't know what was meant by 'on accident' and wondered if it was 'an accident'. The preposition 'of ' seems to be almost the default choice for a generation that is constantly texting. It's short and handy so presumably it will do regardless of established use of other prepositions such as 'about'.

Another that I notice is the use of 'arrive to' instead of 'arrive at' a specific spot such as the station, the hotel or the shop or 'arrive in' a country or city. The distinction is being lost. It's something I might expect a French person speaking English to say but not a native English speaker.

TheChippendenSpook · 24/08/2024 11:28

On a weekend or on the weekend are bugbears of mine.

It might be regional but it's still wrong, as is needs gone and needs done.

Legomania · 24/08/2024 11:32

Zita60 · 24/08/2024 10:31

I agree. I can pedant with the best of them, but I would never correct someone’s spelling or grammar. I think it’s rude and unkind.

I do wonder how some posters, even if they don't care about being rude or unkind, can possibly think that someone is going to to go: "But of course! Why didn't I realise this before?" after however many years of using incorrect SPAG (either because they're not aware or they don't care).

Especially so when they have other things on their mind:

Op: "I seen DH kissing another woman."
Pp: [pedantic poster] "Just so you know, it's 'saw'. [Offers no sympathy or other advice]"

Ilovecleaning · 24/08/2024 11:33

ThePrologue · 24/08/2024 10:51

Et voila, proving the point that meaning doesn't always shine through!
(that wasn't a pop at you. @Ilovecleaning , it just made me smile!)

lol 😀. I got it after about 10 minutes 🙂. But I guessed voilà - I missed the ‘et’. 🌺

Ilovecleaning · 24/08/2024 11:35

StarryDance · 24/08/2024 11:02

It's 'fuck' not 'F**K'

Lol 😀. I was trying to tone down my rudeness. 🌺

Nanny0gg · 24/08/2024 11:37

lightsandtunnels · 23/08/2024 21:36

Pedants assemble!

I think if it's something informal then it really shouldn't be a problem. So long as you can get the gist of the message or post does it really matter? It's not a GCSE English paper or a job application after all.

But don't you think that if you don't use the correct word/punctuation/spelling automatically then you don't really know it, so you probably won't get it right when it does matter?

Nanny0gg · 24/08/2024 11:38

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 23/08/2024 21:40

I think 'ect' stems from incorrect pronunciation. Lots of people say 'ek-setera' instead of 'et-setera', so maybe it's not surprising they put the 'c' after the e' in the abbreviation!

In a similar way to espresso/expresso

MintyNew · 24/08/2024 11:39

Or Devine! It's bloody divine, yet I see this all over

MintyNew · 24/08/2024 11:40

lightsandtunnels · 23/08/2024 21:36

Pedants assemble!

I think if it's something informal then it really shouldn't be a problem. So long as you can get the gist of the message or post does it really matter? It's not a GCSE English paper or a job application after all.

Sorry but I don't buy this. Either you know it or don't. It's more work to think ok informal setting let me spell this incorrectly.

TeenLifeMum · 24/08/2024 11:51

andthat · 24/08/2024 00:41

And presumably you’d be out of a job if everyone was grammatically perfect.

No, because human error. Even the best writers need proof readers. I proof copy from professionals. It’s usually typos I pick up rather than grammatical errors. Occasionally we’ve had those who don’t know which there/their to use and they don’t stay long because they’re not up to the job. Copy that needs a complete rewrite isn’t what proofing is for.

I saw all the coverage with students getting straight 9s celebrating but we ignore the fact that more than 40% of our young people are failing exams. That’s concerning, but a different debate.

Abitofalark · 24/08/2024 11:53

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 24/08/2024 09:37

@QuiMoi , as an ex TEFL teacher, I can’t altogether agree that English is grammatically very simple. OK, we don’t have noun genders (except for a ship!) and except for the 3rd person ‘s’ we don’t conjugate verbs or decline nouns, but some constructions are very complicated for more elementary learners.

E.g. question tags - which is many languages are so much simpler - e.g. n’est ce pas?, nicht wahr? and among others, a similar one in Greek.

Whereas in English we have to match it to the rest of the question - didn’t you? Isn’t it? Won’t she? Aren’t they? etc.

Plus the question form of the simple past - e.g. Did you go? compared to the equivalent of ‘Went you?’ in some other languages.
My poor learners (mostly speakers of Arabic) found these hard, anyway! I still remember one poor chap answering the homework question - ‘What did you do on Friday?’ (Their Sunday) - ‘I did was go my village’

I agree with you about that. It may appear simple - for example, the straightforward structure of 'subject verb object' and not much in the way of inflected forms - but there is a lot of nuance, subtlety and complexity underneath it all, with verbs, tenses, moods, word order, adjectival and adverbial uses and all the rest. I have an old grammar book intended 'for the use of junior classes' in the late 19th century and it strikes me as surprisingly intricate and difficult.