To feel relieved and optimistic that we finally have a PM who knows something about something

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So impressed to see the speed rioters are being dealt with. We have someone at the helm who knows something about the law. As opposed to the series of buffoons we have had in recent years who literally don't know how to pay for something in a petrol station, let alone how to manage a pandemic. And the worst of it was they were so thick they didn't even know that they didn't know.

I think Starmer knows what he knows, if you get my meaning -he has his areas of expertise, and will know when he needs to refer to someone else's area of expertise.

I feel more optimistic now than I have done for a very long time

@SlothOnARope you're wrong. Addiction and crime are symptoms. The cause is entrenched inequality. Tories looooove inequality.

I am not wrong, just looking at it differently. There are multiple causes. Addictions are so bad and so rife that they are normalised and nobody really sees what they are doing to themselves with their drugs and terrible diets. It's no longer just about inequality. Perhaps it used to be, but now there is an entrenched culture of crime, claiming benefits, thieving or defrauding and not caring about other people. Where I live, it's no longer just the hard done by minority doing this. If behaviours in schools is a reflection of society, it's about 40-50% of my local community. Literally half the local population doesn't give a shit about how it treats the other half.

40 years and 3 generations actively choosing the benefits lifestyle, wasting or destroying the opportunities given to them (eg making schools hell so other kids can't fully benefit from them, destroying sports facilities and flytipping in parks). These wastes of space and their families take absolutely no responsibility for anything they do and on top of that, expect special treatment for their mainly self-induced disorders.

Nobody forces them into McDonald's every day, or the pub or the vape shop. They have kitchens. They could spend the same amount of money on cheap, simple, healthy food - but their mothers (and grandmothers) can't do anything that doesn't involve a microwave or twice your daily sugar allowance, because they're addicted to junk, which makes you lazy and unbothered to cook.

I see dozens of them every day, living next door to people from exactly the same social class who've had the same opportunities and choose to find jobs and be respectable decent humans. The homes with addicts in, are usually the ones causing the problems.

I'm not wrong to say addiction and crime are now the actual causes of the problems killing my town. So many wasted lives.

I know. They cling to their ignorance for dear life. It's desperate, and embarrassing to watch.🙈

But sometimes, it's hilarious.😂

Feels like we have a grown up in charge, rather than over ambitious, public school boys who wanted power without any responsibility

How many seats did reform get again…

Don't get too excited too soon. Honeymoon period ongoing. I voted Labour but don't feel that optimistic.

Thanks for the anecdote, which cannot be extrapolated to the whole of the UK.

PS the story of loads of families not working for three generations was exposed as a myth, using actual research. I am sure a benefit bashing thread will be along soon just for you.

I run a support group for families of addicts. Guess what? Addiction happens everywhere. Most of those in my group are from comfortable middle class backgrounds. See? Anecdote.

Calm down @pointythings.

I'm not interested in being right or wrong, just in discussing the issues. Of course addiction happens everywhere, I never said it didn't.

But you are clearly invested in your argument that inequality is not the root cause of addiction and crime, when research suggests that at a population level, it is. Your arguments about how poor people eat are very 30p Lee.The UK became more unequal in the last 14 years. Countries where the gap is smaller tend to do better. I wonder why you are so keen to dismiss that idea.

Starmer didn't win the election on his own merits, he won it because the Tories trashed the country

Starmer was elected by the voting public!
How many of the last 5 Prime Ministers were brought to power after an election by the voting public?

Well, I’m so sorry to hear that you’ve formed that opinion on the basis of such an innocuous comment. Why, may I ask?

Well why do you think what you said would be deemed “hate speech”. Only a certain kind of foolish character goes around spouting that line.

Isn’t that a bit presumptuous? Judgemental? Perhaps even hateful?

All you need to do is read the court proceedings from the riots on the BBC website. That will give you a very clear idea of what can and cannot be said. And if you have a problem with what's in there, then you really do have a problem.

There certainly is a type of person on Twitter at the moment who is posting 'oooh I don't feel like I can post anything anymore in case I get arrested'.

They are not posting in good faith, it's just trying to wind up anti-Starmer sentiment, trying to suggest saying that 'I don't like Starmer' is on a par with 'come on, let's burn those immigrant hotels down with all those immigrants inside', while there are people attempting to do exactly that.

I don’t like Starmer and I don’t like the direction the country is going in, with what can only be described as authoritarian rule. I think it’s sinister and Orwellian.

However, I have never, and would never, make any statement inciting someone to “burn down” a hotel or do harm to anyone, and I resent the implication that voicing legitimate concerns about the above, is trying to “wind up” anyone. You, on the other hand, are trying to incite other posters to make hateful accusations and insinuations about my comments, which I could interpret as a hate crime. As you know nothing about any of my protected characteristics, I would advise you to tread carefully in case I interpret your comments as racism.

What a ridiculous response.

It's the "ya can't say nah'in deez days" crew. The irony of the double negative does not escape me.🙄

Others are ideologically biased towards global right wing politics..
Some are Tory supporting immigrants, with fanciful ideas of homeland.
Some, salaried workers who've never set foot in the UK.🤔

And some are pissed off Tory voters, struggling with the failure of their preferred party over 14 years. They'd rather see the UK burn than see it do well under Labour.🤨

So in other words, all opinions are equal. But some opinions are more equal than others.

Absolutely not.😤

I think Starmer’s great. He’ll lead us to the promised land. (Not that promised land, obviously, because his backbenchers hate it and its inhabitants in a way one might almost think was racist.)

No, the promised land east of Soundbite Land and just south of Pack of Lies Peninsula.

It’s like being back in Blair’s Britain, but without any money or talent for government.

👍

Nowhere did I say all opinions are equal. You made that up /imagined it /totally ignored what I actually said because?

All opinions are not equal @User8646382 🤷‍♀️

Lol.

Wonderful Kier. Wonderful Labour.

Letting prisoners out after serving just 40% of their time to replace them with kids & OAP's. All the while people who beat up policeman are home on bail.

Already caved in to Junior Doctors & train drivers. Anyone else fancy a big pay rise ??...just go out on strike & Labour will pay.

Small boat crossings haven't ceased & are running at the same rate as they were last year. Another success !!

But dont worry because when Labour are finally found out & "Sir" Kier leaves office you wont have to worry that he might struggle on retirement as he has his very own personalised tax exempt pension scheme.

To be honest, I don’t really care. You’re just further proving my point every comment you make. Hope that helps 🫶