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Nightmare teen

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Theoldyoungmum · 10/08/2024 14:45

My 17 year old is driving me to despair. He’s got an apprenticeship and is on a decent wage for his age. He lives at home, we make him a packed lunch everyday for work, buy him clothes, shoes toiletries etc and pay his phone bill £56 an month and still take him away on every family holiday. For his 17th birthday we payed for him to undergo an intensive driving course so that he would be driving asap as he was really excited to learn to drive. The course cost in excess of £1500, and we had also given him a car. He passed his test first time. Prior to him learning to drive we had already had discussions on how expensive car insurance would be. We agreed that if we got a few quotes he would save half and we would pay the other half. The day he passed his test we were setting up the insurance and asked him to bank transfer his share. He told us that he didn’t have any money in his account and had not saved as per the agreement. Not to cause any further disagreements and to take the shine off him passing his test - I paid the half we promised and then set up a direct debit to cover the other half which he agreed to pay.

we are now 8 months down the road and he has only paid one months insurance.

since passing his test his car has needed 4 new tyres which I had to pay for, he broke a sensor which I also paid for, he didn’t pay his road tax when it was due so I paid for this also, and its recently had to have an MOT which it failed and then required £560 worth of repairs - he had cracked his rear lights and water damage burnt out the eletrics and he needed a new underarm as he has damaged the under of the car on speed bumps. There were also a few other bits and pieces that needed looking at. I warned him prior to the MOT that it needed some repair work and he should make sure he saved. When we picked the car up again the same old story he didn’t have any money to pay so I ended up footing the bill.

I then made a payment plan for him to repay £50 a week towards the repairs and reminded him that he would also need to start paying his insurance direct debit. We are now 4 weeks down the road and I am yet to receive any money for the repairs and he’s missed yet another insurance payment.

I'm seriously considering cancelling his insurance but then I would feel bad taking away his independence and he needs his car for work.

I keep asking for the money and he says things like ‘you must really hate me to be going on and on at em all the time’ or ‘You make my life so difficult asking for all this money all the time when I just want to go out like a normal 17 year old and enjoy!’ It’s really getting me down and causing a lot of atmosphere in the house between us and my husband.

AIBU if I cancelled his phone bill direct Debit and his insurance and refuse to pay for it anymore?

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TheNeedyPoet · 10/08/2024 14:51

What is he doing with his money? Is he paying rent to give with you?

maybe stop making the packed lunch, set a rent payment for food, electric etc and cancel paying for the insurance if he can afford it.

if he has an apprenticeship and a decent wage he is clearly very successful in some ways but needs to learn how to budget etc whilst he lives at home.

it seems a very hard situation for you !! Hope you get something sorted

Blueuggboots · 10/08/2024 14:53

He's taking the piss and you're enabling him.
Cancel his insurance. Make his life difficult. He's never going to learn otherwise, is he?
Don't give him lifts, don't pay for things.

Blueuggboots · 10/08/2024 14:53

Oh yes, and stop making his lunch! My 13 year old makes his own lunch and once his pocket money is spent, he gets no more.

tuvamoodyson · 10/08/2024 14:56

Theoldyoungmum · 10/08/2024 14:45

My 17 year old is driving me to despair. He’s got an apprenticeship and is on a decent wage for his age. He lives at home, we make him a packed lunch everyday for work, buy him clothes, shoes toiletries etc and pay his phone bill £56 an month and still take him away on every family holiday. For his 17th birthday we payed for him to undergo an intensive driving course so that he would be driving asap as he was really excited to learn to drive. The course cost in excess of £1500, and we had also given him a car. He passed his test first time. Prior to him learning to drive we had already had discussions on how expensive car insurance would be. We agreed that if we got a few quotes he would save half and we would pay the other half. The day he passed his test we were setting up the insurance and asked him to bank transfer his share. He told us that he didn’t have any money in his account and had not saved as per the agreement. Not to cause any further disagreements and to take the shine off him passing his test - I paid the half we promised and then set up a direct debit to cover the other half which he agreed to pay.

we are now 8 months down the road and he has only paid one months insurance.

since passing his test his car has needed 4 new tyres which I had to pay for, he broke a sensor which I also paid for, he didn’t pay his road tax when it was due so I paid for this also, and its recently had to have an MOT which it failed and then required £560 worth of repairs - he had cracked his rear lights and water damage burnt out the eletrics and he needed a new underarm as he has damaged the under of the car on speed bumps. There were also a few other bits and pieces that needed looking at. I warned him prior to the MOT that it needed some repair work and he should make sure he saved. When we picked the car up again the same old story he didn’t have any money to pay so I ended up footing the bill.

I then made a payment plan for him to repay £50 a week towards the repairs and reminded him that he would also need to start paying his insurance direct debit. We are now 4 weeks down the road and I am yet to receive any money for the repairs and he’s missed yet another insurance payment.

I'm seriously considering cancelling his insurance but then I would feel bad taking away his independence and he needs his car for work.

I keep asking for the money and he says things like ‘you must really hate me to be going on and on at em all the time’ or ‘You make my life so difficult asking for all this money all the time when I just want to go out like a normal 17 year old and enjoy!’ It’s really getting me down and causing a lot of atmosphere in the house between us and my husband.

AIBU if I cancelled his phone bill direct Debit and his insurance and refuse to pay for it anymore?

In what way is he independent??

theGooHasGone · 10/08/2024 14:58

YABU because you're allowing him to take the piss. What incentive does he have to change anything if you bail him out every time? Where are the consequences?

He's walking all over you.

Theoldyoungmum · 10/08/2024 14:58

We don’t take any money from him for rent either!

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SilverPearl · 10/08/2024 15:04

Cease paying for the phone, shoes and clothes. Transport and food are essential. He can get a PAYG sim, new clothes and shoes are discretionary spending he can take responsibility for.

millymoo1202 · 10/08/2024 15:11

Stop doing everything for him, my son is same age doing an apprenticeship, makes his own lunches. Sees to his car, pays his own insurance band and pays digs as I can’t afford for him not too. He works with someone like your son and they all take the mick out of him about his mum
paying for everything and sorting everything out. You aren’t doing him any favours

Barney16 · 10/08/2024 15:12

I'm not being mean but he's taking the piss. You need to be more realistic too, if he couldn't be bothered to save up for his insurance (probably because he knew you would cave in) why on earth would you think he would pay you back for repairs? Cancel his phone, cancel his insurance, sorn his car and stop making his lunch. Stop doing all the other things you no doubt do for him too, washing? He's obviously useless with money and needs a series of urgent life lessons.

tuvamoodyson · 10/08/2024 15:14

Theoldyoungmum · 10/08/2024 14:58

We don’t take any money from him for rent either!

I’ll ask again, what independence do you think you’re taking away? You’ve got ‘Mug’ written right across your forehead, and ‘kick me’ pinned to your back!

WalkInAStraightLine · 10/08/2024 15:17

You didn't "have to" pay for any of those repairs. that's part and parcel of being a car owner. If he can't do that then he's can't own a functioning car.

Time for him to face the real world and prioritise his finances like everyone else has to. Definitely cancel the insurance if he's not capable of engaging with how to pay for the car.

dancemom · 10/08/2024 15:18

How much does he earn in his apprenticeship?

Would he lose his job without the car or would it just be more difficult for him to get there on public transport?

RaininSummer · 10/08/2024 15:19

Time to treat him like a young adult not a child. He needs to pay you some keep money and the monthly insurance repayment. Stop making his lunch too.

Mamabear999 · 10/08/2024 15:19

He is taking the absolute piss. I have a 17 year old daughter, we paid lessons, bought the car and she stumped up half the insurance costs herself which was £1700. She is in full time education with part time job and was able to save. She is also is out regularly with her friends. 4 nights one week🙈 but still knows to save. A kick up the hole is what he needs and honestly stop paying everything for him. (I know it’s hard OP but you will be doing him a favour in the long run).

BrookGreen54 · 10/08/2024 15:20

Cancel his insurance. He can learn the hard way and get public transport until he is prepared to save and pay for it. If he has done that much damage to a car in such a short space of time (especially the speed bump issue) then he obviously isn’t safe on the roads. A lesson on growing up is needed.

Octavia64 · 10/08/2024 15:22

In your shoes I would at least for a while keep paying for the car.

What I would do is talk to him about how important it is he learns adult skills and stop paying for the stuff that isn't needed for work.

No packed lunch. Stop paying for gym and phone contract. He's likely to want those.l so might pay for them himself and then will start to appreciate the value of money.

You need to wean him slowly off spending all his money. It'll take time.

Theoldyoungmum · 10/08/2024 15:23

Thank you everyone for the replies!

for context he generally earns £1,000 a month - sometimes less as his job is pretty weather dependant! If he didn’t have a car it would make it more difficult for him to get to his pick up point for the works van!

I know that I need to stop enabling him but it’s so hard when he makes me out to then be the worst person in the world and that he thinks I hate him 😭

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Topseyt123 · 10/08/2024 15:24

Stop paying for all of those things. He needs to learn the lesson about nothing in life being free.

Two of my three DDs still live at home. One has just finished her university degree and is trying to pay down her student overdraft so I am not currently charging her rent until she is on more of an even keel. Then we plan to. She does pay for her own car insurance though, and fuel, MOT, repairs etc. I help out if there is a particularly large bill, but mostly she pays herself. I also pay her mobile phone bill for now, but this will change in the next few months as she becomes more able to support it.

The other works in a local hotel. Not a massive wage but she pays me a token rent each month and pays the running costs of her own car, and her mobile phone bill.

Your DS is taking the piss. Stop paying for all of this stuff while he persists with this attitude.

dancemom · 10/08/2024 15:27

£1000 a month, you still pay for everything and he still can't save or afford his own insurance?

Time to do him a favour and introduce him to the real world, you're doing him no favours at all, especially if he speaks to you and treats you like that.

Despair1 · 10/08/2024 15:29

Theoldyoungmum · 10/08/2024 15:23

Thank you everyone for the replies!

for context he generally earns £1,000 a month - sometimes less as his job is pretty weather dependant! If he didn’t have a car it would make it more difficult for him to get to his pick up point for the works van!

I know that I need to stop enabling him but it’s so hard when he makes me out to then be the worst person in the world and that he thinks I hate him 😭

OP, a word of warning from me. I have had similar past experiences re enabling etc and further down the line it has been disastrous (details spared). Please take heed

Pashazade · 10/08/2024 15:29

Honestly I would sit him down and say because you've decided to take the piss and go back on all our agreements I will no longer be paying your phone bill or buying you any personal items. You will also be making your own lunch from here on forward. Consider yourself lucky we don't charge you rent.
He's young enough to still be a moron and think the world owes him something so I wouldn't go utterly ballistic but at least the phone bill would equal out his £50 a month.

MapleTreeValley · 10/08/2024 15:31

I'd keep paying for the car stuff as he needs the car for work, but stop paying for his phone and clothes. I bet he'll find the money for those!

Loopytiles · 10/08/2024 15:32

Sorry DS is behaving so badly.

cancel all of it and take the car keys away. Stop with the packed lunches too! You provide food, he can make it himself.

you didnt ‘have to’ do any of this and should have stopped spoiling him way before now.

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Loopytiles · 10/08/2024 15:34

He doesn’t have actual independence, he has subsidised use of a car. If his journey to and from work is long and hard without one he can deal with it until he can find a way to pay back his share of costs and get access to your car again. (It’s your car since you paid for it all)

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