To think Keir Starmer holds a lot of sway?

[TakemedowntoPotatoCity]

Former Director of Public Prosecutions. Now PM.
Following the 'civil unrest' last week, several perpetrators have been not only arrested and jailed, but publicly named and shamed, the speed of which I have never seen before.
Our PM clearly knows the right people to get things rolling quickly.
This, combined with the anti racism protestors, gives me a glimmer of hope for the future. I feel in safe(ish) hands with Keir.AIBU?

Of what?

I don’t think for one minute that this has been dealt with quickly because of Keir, any more than I think David Cameron was brilliant for managing it in 2011. It is the hard work of the police and the judicial system.

I also am not going to agree that Keir is the first politician ever who isn’t self serving. Who doesn’t prioritise what he needs, and for him the rioting was going to cause more harm to his reputation than women being raped and the unacceptable wait times for justice. The fact that people think the reason for delays is solely down to the system is ludicrous. And I guarantee if we were having this conversation 3 months ago no one would be saying that. The system is a mess.

and finally, the two systems are not entirely distinct like someone else claimed and mocked me for. The court ls yes - although magistrates actually can refer cases on if serious enough so there is some link. But there are not distinct police forces, prisons etc. they are the same regardless of which court tries and sentences. Furthermore barristers work in both. They don’t only work in magistrates or crown. So even within the court system there is cross over.

@ThisHangryPinkBalonz

You obviously decided to ignore the bit where that defendant pled not guilty. It will have to go to full trial, which takes much longer because the CPS have to prepare a case.

But don’t let that get in the way of your bias.

@Otherstories2002

Your posts suggest you don’t know the first thing about the justice system. Perhaps stop digging.

Are you going to give me something tangible that actually shows that or just state I don’t know what I’m talking about without any real examples?

I like him. He's quiet and not showy. He's what we need.

What are you saying that Labour did not say prisons were full and releasing people early? That people questioning here highlighted by you are those key warriors that should be worried. Really?

@Otherstories2002 No, that’s just my opinion. The posts seem very detail vague. They don’t strike me as information from a legal professional that is accurate or trustworthy.

I would really like to hear from a barrister, magistrate or lawyer with good experience of criminal proceedings. Someone with actual knowledge of how the system works. Like Keir Starmer.

Trials plus sentencing take more time than sentencing only. It's not rocket science.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/10/can-two-tier-keir-starmer-unite-britain/

Ah so you’re making the judgement that I know nothing based on you knowing nothing?

ok so barristers tend to mainly work in crown court and solicitors tend to mainly work in magistrates court. Because one is more expensive and experienced so inevitably works on more serious crimes. However there is crossover, if for example a case is in magistrates but likely to be deemed to serious for magistrates barrister might well be employed. Similarly loaded people trying to protect kids might barrister up.

Crown and magistrate are two separate courts - I never said otherwise - but we do not have two entirely separate systems like someone else suggested. The police don’t divide according to whether it’s crown or magistrates. For obvious reasons - they don’t know. The CPS decides if the prosecute and what with, that happens AFTER the police arrest. Similarly if someone goes to prison that isn’t determined by which court they’ve been through, although it’s more likely crown it’s possible that magistrates can send you to prison and there is no separate prisons depending on the court you went through. The fact that the other poster has flat refused to provide anything to back up that nonsense should tell you she was wrong.

You may want to assume I don’t know anything but that would be wrong of you.

@Otherstories2002 What are you actually driving at? Just because there are two courts for criminal trials means there is two tier policing? What is your actual point?

Read the full thread. I’m not engaging with you in a historical discussion if you can’t be bothered to read the full thread. It’s wasting both our time.

@Otherstories2002 I have. I cannot see how your long descriptions of magistrates vs crown courts makes any kind of coherent point.

Your seem to be arguing that rape cases are being ignored in favour of prosecutions for rioters but it has already been explained to you that a different set of spec list barristers take the rape cases and at the moment their aren’t enough of them because of various issues cause by underfunding.

And it has already been explained that Labour have promised a special court for rape cases.

So if you cannot see that your point now looks both redundant and ill informed then O cannot help you.

he is the right man for this job, absolutely
make examples of the rioters, no excuse, whatever their age!

Okay i do have such an understanding. But what was the question?

Do you mean not being ignored?

I am not ignoring that - I don’t view it as relevant.

The suggestion here is that Keir has pulled magic strings to get them fast tracked. I am saying that’s nonsense. It is the system. And that I would be far more impressed with him if he has the power to get things done in a week (he doesn’t) if he was making a much bigger deal of the systemic abuse of women. That’s the point.

They did the right thing. The whataboutery of other criminal cases is justified, but the swiftness here was about diffusing riots - not helped by Musk et al fuelling the fire so it had to be quick. Discussion on anything else is not comparing apple with apples.

That isn’t what I’m arguing.

And the description of magistrate v crown was because 1) a previous poster claimed the entire system is separate (it’s not) and 2) because you accused me of knowing nothing about the system.

They had to work quickly to deter further rioters.

@bombastix

This appears to be the poster’s question. Can you answer this?

The suggestion here is that Keir has pulled magic strings to get them fast tracked. I am saying that’s nonsense. It is the system. And that I would be far more impressed with him if he has the power to get things done in a week (he doesn’t) if he was making a much bigger deal of the systemic abuse of women. That’s the point.

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I didn’t have a question for anyone! You were the one who asked for someone who knows the system because I couldn’t possibly.

Right here. You not me.

I can’t support and amazed anyone can support people being arrested and jailed for posting on social media.,

This represents a huge step back for democracy and freedom in the UK. Huge.

Why people think a government has the right to legislate what you say is beyond me. someone has been arrested and is in custody for sharing the false tweet about the Southport suspect. The first line said, ‘this might not be true…’ but still in custody. That is not reasonable at all.

Kier’s definition of ‘hate speech’ is going to be interesting given his view on sex. The feminist board is likely to come under his definition of hate speech. It might just take one incident of violence against a trans person…and off we go with a ‘swift response’