If Brighton can protest peacefully so can the

[WeAreManyUArefew]

So called ‘protesters’ from the far right?

6 racists turned up to a immigration advice centre in Brighton, 2,000 peaceful counter protesters played instruments, sang, chanted ‘We are many you are few, we are Brighton who are you!’

There was no trouble, just a lot of people making a point.

So if we can do it, without racist language, violence, looting etc why can’t they? They were fine, a ring of normal police ( no riot gear needed) surrounded the bigots then removed them in a van.

YANBU - they are racist right wing thugs. It’s no real protesting.

YABU - they’re legit. And if they want to smash up the place then it’s because they’re provoked by ‘2 tier’ policing.

Brighton has some pockets of deprivation but it is objectively less deprived as a whole than places like Rotherham and Blackpool.

You can look at this map if you don't believe me.

So if you associate yourself with someone like that people might call you nazi scum to.

It doesn't matter whether an event is associated with KJK or not. A Woman's Place attracts the same protesters and the same abuse https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/wpuk-fringe-report

They target any event or organisation that campaigns for, or offers, single-sex spaces.

And KJK, along with the women who attended the event, can go wherever they like. And they should be able to do so without having abuse screamed in their faces and things thrown at them.

No one should get violent but if you are going somewhere saying opinions then expect backlash that's how free speech works. I side with trans people I am a woman to but if I started saying how women shouldn't exist I would expect your lot to tell me to shut up etc that's how it works. What alot want is to spout some horrible stuff and have no challenge that's not how protests work

So basically tourists or people down from bearish towns or nearby towns in the south but probably unlikely to be residents of Brighton. I don’t know anybody that lives here that socialises around those parts of town. It is the same area as West street which is not very nice at all!

Brighton doesn’t just have wealthy people, there is a whole spectrum, an array of people with high, median and low incomes!

Er, no, it's not. Free speech is the right to express any opinions without censorship, restraint or the fear of retaliation.

Shouting abuse in women's faces, throwing things at them, harassing them, threatening to kill, punch, rape them, silencing them, banning them and cancelling them because you don't like their opinions is not free speech.

And women aren't saying trans people shouldn't exist, but I suspect you know that already.

And?

No that's not true you can't shout fire in a cinema free speech has responsibilities as I say you can't shout stuff not ecpect folks to have a ho back that's not how free speech works

Oh and for the record posie parker has actually said it would be better if trans people don't exist on one of her many videos

good post. I think the people who are talking about "leafy suburbs" have never been to places like london road or whitehawk for instance.

Exactly this.

I tend to agree with you.

Again, showing no understanding of the demographics of the area, just sweeping generalisations!

I didn't see the 'demonstraters' in Blackpool. Thought it was just last week-end. One issue in Blackpool is that a very large hotel on the Promenade has been filled with asylum seekers (mainly young men). The town has three issues with this:

1. Only large hotels - corporate-owned - were offered asylum seekers. Struggling B&Bs got no look-in. Seen as unjust even if B&B owners did not want asylum seekers - could at least have been asked.
2. The town received an influx of homeless in the noughties from Manchester etc. This means many hotels are now HMOs, which detracts from the holiday nature of the town and also fills its streets with beggars. Many hoteliers feel yet more displaced people, especially young men who have culturally different ideas, esp to do with women, are probably not best placed in a town that is full of young women scantily dressed (from asylum seekers possible pov) and which also has a problem with the grooming of underage girls. Blackpool is also the northern equivalent of Brighton, as a gay capital, with Pride events, gay hoteliers, gay bars and gay cultural events (Funny Girls, for example) etc. Some may feel very threatened by young men who have a different cultural outlook on homosexuality.
3. There are international events taking place in Blackpool (fireworks, ballroom dancing, various festivals) which may be affected by the advent of unattached young men on top of all the HMO residents.

It may all seem racist but it's much more to do with factors such as that people are trying to run a business in the town. It's an international destination, too. Blackpool has enough problems (severe poverty, poor schools) without dealing with asylum seekers, however worthy of help and kindness they are.

@Daltonbear1 I'm not sure what shouting fire in a cinema has to do with any of what I said, or what an alleged comment from KJK has to do with the women who are being abused and threatened for campaigning for the protection of single-sex spaces. I think you need to read up on what free speech actually means.

Yabu to assume peaceful protest was just Brighton

Plenty others were, our town had no arrests at all

A pity about the attack on feminists trying to speak out for sex-segregated spaces - the Greens are not hot on that one being totally TWAW.

Because free speech comes with responsibility aka you can't shout fire scare people in a cinema even though you can see that's free speech. The point is people don't want to be challenged sure go yo Brighton protest peacefully do that amongst loads of lgbt people who disagree with you who also have their free speech to challenge to say you feel intimidated is that words? If it's violence then that's a line not to cross but I see so many free speech flk who don't want yo be challenged

Attack or was your voices just challenged as there are many women who disagree to I have seen many women want to say opposing stuff abd posie parker doesn't let them so let women speak or just women we want to hear from?

What are you on about?

Did you not read what I wrote?

'Shouting abuse in women's faces, throwing things at them, harassing them, threatening to kill, punch, rape them, silencing them, banning them and cancelling them because you don't like their opinions is not free speech.'

This behaviour goes far, far beyond disagreeing and challenging someone. I think you're being disingenuous so I'm not going to engage with you anymore.

It would appear that Brighton has a child poverty problem, just like other seaside towns; that children have been trafficked from the town, and that there is a drug problem.
I think the point that some of the more wealthy may be gay couples is likely to be the case - esp if they have no DC and both are working. Others likely to be better off are 2 income no DC heterosexual couples.
Why did you not comment on the post I commented on (that actually made what you call a 'sweeping generalisation') rather than my post btw? Just asking.😀

Bit of a tangent, but I noticed there were a lot more original rainbow flags at Brighton Pride this year (as opposed to the newer style flag). Also Mr Menno was there holding a sign about Puberty blockers being anti-gay. No one shouted in his face- that might be just because he’s male, but he also got quite a positive response from some of the Pride attendees. (So maybe the tide is turning, even in Brighton).

Attacked and abused. Have you not seen the footage? It was a shouting down of women who merely wished to speak on the need for women to have sex-segregated spaces and the right to have intimate care by women. It was quite appalling.
https://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2024/06/24/^women^-shelter-in-shop-after-protesters-tail-them
I wasn't there. I do not understand women who do not support sex-segregated spaces/sports (see Olympic boxing), prizes, intimate care, refuges etc. But I do not shout them down or call them fascists (nor do I support KJK's politics, being a Bennite socialist). I would allow women who think it's ok for my late DM to receive intimate care from a man or think it's ok to have men in rugby matches to speak and explain their reasoning, but, TBC, most women who hold these views have very public platforms and don't get shouted down.

Brighton is a bit like London in that there are really nice bits and not so nice bits about 10 minutes away from each other.

Two primary schools are closing this year because families with kids keep moving put (I think more to do with houseprices than drug problems in the city centre but maybe a mix of both)

Bits of Brighton are like you describe.

But leave the seafront/lanes and go further inland and it's a different story. There is a lot of social deprivation and poverty in Brighton and Hove. Perhaps not to the extent of other places mentioned, but it's still there.

I think you're right in that it's because he's a man, particularly a gay man which poses a moral conundrum. Women are fair game.

Meanwhile a women-only - not remotely anti-trans - group in Brighton got a ton of abuse and had their place in the parade revoked https://brightonsisters.wordpress.com/pride-prejudice/

'Lesbians are some of the most marginalised women in Brighton & Hove. Sadly we are seeing the attitude ‘All lesbians are TERFs’ and an increasing hostility towards same-sex attracted women.

We want to be proud and visible lesbians. We want to celebrate our same-sex attraction and show that being a lesbian is a valid identity.

We want to heal any divisions in the LGBTQ+ community and march proudly alongside our GBTQ+ siblings while retaining our unique lesbian identity.'