To think these riots are about anti-muslim feeling more than immigration....

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...and to wonder what the rioters actually think the solution is?

I mean there are plenty of Christian immigrants and no-one is attacking churches. Inner city churches are often mostly made up of ethnic minority and immigrant people

Just watched Ed Balls interview with Zarah Sultana.
ZS: "it's important to call out these riots for being islamophobic because mosques and muslims are being targetted"
EB: "do you agree we need to control immigration"
followed by constant interruption and not allowing her to actually say anything. He came across terribly. There have been 8000 complaints about this interview!

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/ed-balls-gmb-zarah-sultana-riots-b2591311.html

These rioters want to get rid of muslims whether British or immigrant - that is the unpalatable truth. It's not about immigrants in general at all, and only partly about the ones in the hotels. It's scarily reminiscent of what I've read about the early days of the 1930s in germany before Hitler came to power.

EDL stands for English Defence League. I'm English, I absolutely will call them out. They claim to be acting for white British people.
Would you prefer other white British people didn't say anything, just thought nothing to do with me?
What do you thing would be more helpful, white people seeing Muslims (and others) being attacked in their name and saying/doing nothing about it or shouting loudly against the people proportions to speak/act on their behalf?

Just because it stands for English defence league doesn't mean you classify yourself as an EDL supporter does it? Doesn't mean you attend sermons, go on rallies, hang around with others from the EDL does it?

Why is it I'm allowed to call out people for their political beliefs, but not allowed to call out people for following religion when it causes so many problems for everyone?

I think recent child abuse committed in Christian institutions is very different to abuse committed in Islam. Christianity has allowed perverted people to use it as a veil for abuse, children were abused under the cover of Christianity, not in the name of it. In Islam abuse such as forced marriage, FGM etc is done in the name of religion.

One single imam. Who was condemned, and shunned. And there are thousands of imams in the UK.

Compare that to the chief rabbi of England the Jewish board of deputies - the representative body of majority of Jewish people in the UK. Not one single condemnation of the war crimes committed by the Israeli army and government against thousands of civilians, and the sheer nerve to hold a meeting with Starmer to get him to revoke the ICJ arrest warrant for Nethanyahu. It is shameful and despicable. Disgusting.

It's both. Generally speaking, people who are Islamophobic are also massive racists; the two tend to go hand in hand. The reason people are trashing mosques is because they're an easy and conspicuous target.

They're also targeting hostels and hotels that are housing asylum seekers, but a large proportion of asylum seekers aren't Muslim. Lots are from Christian backgrounds. About 1 in 5 people who are trafficked here by boats and lorries are from Vietnam, and if they have a religious faith at all, are most likely to be Buddhist.

I guarantee you that if you had a look at the social media of any of the rioters, you'd see that they also hate Romanians, Albanians, Roma gypsies, any kind of African and in most cases, Ukrainians.

You said none.

Now it's one.

I wonder how many more it will be if I bothered to continue fact checking you.

The silence from Muslim leaders was deafening. That silence is in itself a support of the actions of Hamas just as you talk of the silence from the Chief Rabbi over Israeli actions.
No one has been arrested here for supporting Hamas! Even the BBC are afraid to call them terrorists outright.

Be my guest.

You still are not answering the main point though.

If Muslim Council of Britain supported Hamas, can you imagine the uproar? Why is it ok for the Chief Rabbi and the Jewish Board of deputies to openly and actively support Nethanyahu and his government - a proven war criminal?

If there were 15.7 million mulsims on the planet, and 2 billion jews wanted their bit of land can you imagine the uproar?

No, the silence doesn't say anything. No one expects the chief rabbi or the Jewish board of deputies to condemn Israel when they stay silent. But when they openly and actively start supporting the Israeli leader who has commited war crimes, then people do expect condemnation. Either stay silent and stay out of it, or if you are going to openly support, and then you can't stay silent when they commit crimes.

It's both. Generally speaking, people who are Islamophobic are also massive racists; the two tend to go hand in hand.

I disagree with that, I don’t think only white British people are Islamophobic for one.

One single imam brought to book for his views. And complete silence after 7 October atrocities from all the hundreds of imams in the UK. The leaders of Hamas are also war criminals you know. You are showing your true colours Joyapple

The riots were caused by a lady from Southport who said 3 hours after those children were killed in a tweet that the man that done it was an immigrant, personally I think she should be locked up! She has her own business and she didn't give a fook about others having their Businesses ruined during the riots! Or those that had to close their business due to riots.

Hindus have only ‘killed us with kindness’. In my time, I have heard about free vegetarian food given out, homeless people who aren’t Hindus invited in, there’s the warmth, bringing in spiced sweets to school and so on. I’ve never felt threatened by any Sikh (as far as I’ve known they were a Sikh). Nothing in my life could be said to have taken a turn for the worse from people having Hindu or Sikh beliefs. Obviously the normal believers in Islam around me, families, uber drivers, etc, are fine, caring and generous neighbours. Yet I have been touched far, far too closely (in terms of the surrounding streets and places I regularly pass through, facilities I use), by literal extremists. I know, with the benefit of hindsight, that the lively and spirited group of people I used to regularly pass outside the mosque, were actually radical hate preachers and their sympathisers.

I think there is a l
point that amongst the majority world religions the values of Islam are the most alien to us in terms of cultural attitudes.

The disconnect in extremely caseseass to hatred as evidenced by the young man planning to bomb aTalor Swift concert. TS embodies the behaviour and attitudes that contradict Islamic dogma Christian,pro LGBT, single, open to wearing revealing clothing and fun

I'm not aware of anyone who has an issue with any Muslims

Lol

It's a ban on any religious symbols in France.* *It is important to be accurate.

Which Muslims seem to have a big issue with.

The Muslim Council of Great Britain (who describe themselves as 'the largest and most diverse representative body for the British Muslim community in the UK') put a statement on their website regarding October 7th.....it took them 3 weeks but they eventually got there. The statement basically gave a very weak condemnation of October 7th and reminded UK Muslims not to openly show support for Hamas at marches because it's illegal.
They did not condemn Hamas.

I searched for a statement from any UK Muslim body condemning Hamas and the massacre, and I really wanted to find one. But I couldn't.

As far as the Chief Rabbi and a Jewish bodies......they support Israel's right to exist and self defence, and the right of Jewish people to have a place where they can be self determining and not at the mercy of centuries of persecution. They also sign open letters to the UK government asking for pressure to be put on the Israeli government by the UK government. They also petition the Israeli government.

What more do you want?

The ICJ thing is problematic for a number of reasons, not least that it was brought by S Africa who are known to be money laundering for Hamas.

The cancellation of the Taylor Swift concerts are likely to be because of Muslim terror and so will cause more hate.

I do wish that (if it was Islamic extremists) ordinary Austrian Muslims would take to the streets in huge numbers in a 'not in my name' demonstrations.
We get these sort of demonstrations all the time in response to white supremacy/Britain First etc attacks, as evidenced by the anti racism demos last night.

I know lots of posters have defended the shoulder shrug 'nothing to do with me' position, doing nothing, really doesn't help though and allows extremists to be the loudest/only voices for a community. I for one, am absolutely not having these Britain First/EDL types speak for me. No fucking way. There's a saying (paraphrasing) - for evil to succeed, good people need to say nothing.
Well, they're not shutting me up.

Maybe your life will be better if you stop buying into stereotypes you have no evidence for and that are worrying you.

A better approach when feeling worried might be to think "I have no evidence this is happening and until I do, I'm not going to worry about it"

I think we should ban Muslims from wearing hijab at the same time we ban Christians from wearing crucifixes on earrings and necklaces and Jews from wearing yarmulkes. And any ideological symbols as tattoos. Just to be fair to all.

I suggest you do some research on FGM and forced marriage.
Is Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) an Islamic Practice? | The Review of Religions
BBC - Religions - Islam: Sharia
You are spreading false information.

If this thread is anything to go by, they are far from "back in their box". It's a disgrace.