To think these riots are about anti-muslim feeling more than immigration....

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...and to wonder what the rioters actually think the solution is?

I mean there are plenty of Christian immigrants and no-one is attacking churches. Inner city churches are often mostly made up of ethnic minority and immigrant people

Just watched Ed Balls interview with Zarah Sultana.
ZS: "it's important to call out these riots for being islamophobic because mosques and muslims are being targetted"
EB: "do you agree we need to control immigration"
followed by constant interruption and not allowing her to actually say anything. He came across terribly. There have been 8000 complaints about this interview!

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/ed-balls-gmb-zarah-sultana-riots-b2591311.html

These rioters want to get rid of muslims whether British or immigrant - that is the unpalatable truth. It's not about immigrants in general at all, and only partly about the ones in the hotels. It's scarily reminiscent of what I've read about the early days of the 1930s in germany before Hitler came to power.

Yep, a lot of what's attributed to "Islam" is actually local cultural practice that's nothing to do with Islam.

It's a bit like Christians getting blamed for the kind of practice that was implicated in the death of Victoria Climbie.

The double standards are breathtaking really. I feel for Muslims on this forum being exposed to threads like this.

But why? None of these things are harming you or anyone else.

Can we ban people with bad haircuts or their favourite quote being tattooed on them then?

I'm starting to think that a lot of these recent threads are disingenuous... It's almost as if they're designed to stoke up further division. The same arguments whirling round and round, over and over.

I was being slightly sarcastic. I don't actually think we should ban any of them. But I bet people calling for headscarf bans would not feel at all the same about crucifix earrings.

Sorry, I should have been clearer.

Ahh ok sorry, the sarcasm flew over me as I haven't read the full thread 😬

Yes i agree, it is strange that so many people call for banning the hijab but don't ever really focus on other religious symbols to be banned too.

Yes, I don't see why not. Let's ban all symbols of belonging to any group of any kind.

The ultimate integration would be state approved haircuts, clothing, vehicles etc.

I got asked not to use emoji so I am struggling to convey that this is extremely sarcastic and me trying to get people to understand the logical endpoint of "ban headscarves" ridiculousness

Cassie is pointing our the logical conclusion for all the "ban the Hijab" posters. Either it applies to all faiths or none. If they only want it to apply to one faith (Islam) then it's not about banning symbols rather deliberate discrimination.

Can someone give me some concrete examples of Islamaphobia? I must be blind and admittedly live in central London in a borough where immigrants outnumber White British but I am not seeing it. I see most people bending over backwards to accommodate everyone of all religions and nationalities. I do see a tonne of anti-semitism and am genuinely concerned at how my Jewish friends must be feeling.

I agree. It's exhausting.

I think Islam is easy to use as an excuse and brown people = Muslim to many dumb fucks

in the 70/80's all brown people were from Pakistan

there is always an excuse but the reasonings simple come down to hating and often envy of anyone that isn't white British

There's loads on this thread. Hopefully the worse is deleted.

Any comments about how "Islam is....". Comments comparing Muslims with Hindus and Sikhs. Comments implying that 9/11 provides a reasonable context to be wary of Muslims. "Worrying" about integration with no evidence.

Basically it boils down to othering a quarter of the world's population on the basis of religion.

I mean there are plenty of Christian immigrants and no-one is attacking churches. Inner city churches are often mostly made up of ethnic minority and immigrant people

Attack on Goan church in Wembley (London) on the 7th August.

https://www.thegoan.net/goa-news/goans-shocked-as-mary%E2%80%99s-statue-desecrated-at-wembley-church/117051.html

Accusations of phobia are also easy to use as an excuse for those who'd rather silence women and girls who have genuine concern about attitudes to women.

The concern with ALL of the major religions is how open to interpretation their teachings are.

And btw 'dumb' is considered an ableist slur.

Not sure any of those count as Islamphobia or are concrete examples.

I'm also getting increasingly frustrated with the constant framing relating islamophobia with antisemitism. It seems very clear to me that there is an agenda to force division between Jews and Muslims in the UK and polarise communities, that's dangerous for everyone and I wish people would stop doing it.

On a thread about Islamophobia, bringing up anti-semimitism is whataboutery and divisive. I see what those posters are doing.

OK.
If you can't see blatant prejudice that's a you problem.

I know and there is an expectation that we all go Free Palestine. When I could well said nothing to do with me. In reality is nothing to do with me. I am not from any country involved or religion or even British. I can support and sympathise of course is up to me. Every time there is a terrorist attack some people come out and say they are concerned and stand for the Muslims innocent community. The least I expect is some Muslims voices to condemn the actions of the radicals. I think it would help to understand them more. Also, hopefully would help to deport the radicals from their communities.

I find it very hard to believe that with everything happening in the last week you haven't seen any anti-muslim hatred
What would you call the attack on the mosque in southport where muslims barricaded inside were fearing for their lives?

Anti-Muslim hatred is disgraceful and should not be tolerated. There have also been numerous reports in the news today about the massive increase in attacks on Jews in the UK in the last six months.

Hatred of disparate communities seems to be everywhere at the moment. I don't think it's confined to one community.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/antisemitism-jewish-community-security-trust-police-israel-gaza-b1175436.html

Antisemitism hit a record high in 1st half of this year.

https://news.sky.com/story/antisemitic-incidents-more-than-double-in-the-first-half-of-2024-to-hit-a-record-high-13192485

Muslims in general or just a few? Do you lump every one together?

Islamophobia cases have also surged
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-68374372.amp

Making it some form of sick competition of who has it worse is part of the issue.

This is a thread about Islamophobia.

Well I am sure the home secretary would excuse it on the basis that people were feeling very strongly about three children being stabbed to death. Or it would be explained as a few bad apples.

Can I ask, what do you think is more concerning? Islamaphobia or three kids being stabbed to death?

Is this a joke?