To think these riots are about anti-muslim feeling more than immigration....

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...and to wonder what the rioters actually think the solution is?

I mean there are plenty of Christian immigrants and no-one is attacking churches. Inner city churches are often mostly made up of ethnic minority and immigrant people

Just watched Ed Balls interview with Zarah Sultana.
ZS: "it's important to call out these riots for being islamophobic because mosques and muslims are being targetted"
EB: "do you agree we need to control immigration"
followed by constant interruption and not allowing her to actually say anything. He came across terribly. There have been 8000 complaints about this interview!

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/ed-balls-gmb-zarah-sultana-riots-b2591311.html

These rioters want to get rid of muslims whether British or immigrant - that is the unpalatable truth. It's not about immigrants in general at all, and only partly about the ones in the hotels. It's scarily reminiscent of what I've read about the early days of the 1930s in germany before Hitler came to power.

He is a regular church goer and described as 'devoted to his faith'.

And Jewish women who wear wigs or scarfs?
Or Jewish men who wear a kippah?

Are they also not integrated, or respecting laws?

I just personally can’t get behind this, I believe people should be allowed to freely wear what they want.

Surely this thread is an example of many white people taking responsibility for how Tommy Robinson behaves? White people everywhere are calling him out and condemning incitement to violence. Where is the equivalent in other communities?

I agree.

Muslims, immigrants, non whites, gypsies, travellers. These racist morons don’t really care which group they are directing hate at. As long as someone has told them their unsatisfactory situation in life is entirely down to a group of people they’ve never met, not their own laziness, stupidity or the shitty government they voted for.

I can’t help but think this stems from way way back in our education and welfare system. Allowing a groundswell of crap behaviour and poor performance in schools (and lack of engagement from parents) to be rewarded by an easy ride into existing on benefits rather than having to do the very jobs they now accuse others of ‘stealing’ from them.

This has been on the cards for years, it’s so depressing. And innocent, honest, hard working people are being targeted and made to feel like they don’t belong here because they aren’t the same as these knuckle draggers. It’s despicable.

Thank god for the immigrants who come to this country, encouraging their children to make the most of the education on offer, filling the jobs a lot of people turn their noses up at, and paying taxes whilst doing so. They enrich this country no end.

The same way British people come out to support victims of racism and making sure people know they are not all like Tommy R and followers. You distance yourself and call it out.

How do you know? If he grew up and lived his life surrounded by and 'devoted' to a church with a culture of child abuse and cover ups why are you so sure this didn't influence him?

Motive is not the same as influence.

Exactly

@Buddysbunda you must have some better arguments?

No. I think they are racist through and through but for warped reasons of contorted “justification”, they think that radicalisation and terrorism carried out by a tiny minority of Muslims (even elsewhere) makes it somehow more acceptable to attack Muslims and their Mosques, and in the process, to also attack all people who are brown, regardless of their religion.
Exactly as the first responder to the OP said…

Do Hindus and Sikhs have the equivalent of ‘jihad’, ‘fatwas’ or perceiving those who don’t believe as ‘the infidel’?

So influence is ok? So in the UK being 'influenced' to commit crimes because of the culture of your religion is fine so long as the actual motive is not your religion? Right, the rules sure are complicated!

Do you really not see the difference between somebody just committing a crime and somebody committing a crime or racist act in the name of Muslims/White people/other groups ? So a white person (for example, could be any) beating some random person up is no different to deliberately seeking out a black person, to beat up, as some sort of fight back on behalf of all white British people?

These rioters want to get rid of muslims whether British or immigrant - that is the unpalatable truth.

That's not 'the truth' at all and anyone who thinks it is really hasn't been paying attention.

I'm not aware of anyone who has an issue with any Muslims - or anyone else for that matter - who have chosen to make Britain their home, who want to work, study, do whatever they can to better themselves and contribute to society and, probably most importantly, social cohesion.

However, there's no getting away from the truth - as in the actual truth - that there are groups across the UK who have zero interest in doing this. And the govt's answer to that is... to accept more of it.

THAT is the issue. Yet somehow that's turned into 'People Hate Muslims'. It's BS!

Influence is a very broad word. People can draw upon an infinite number of influences. Motives, however, tend to be much narrower- one or two.

But that's a flawed comparison because British people aren't EDL supporters by definition. You would have to have EDL supporters calling it out for it to be comparable.

By the same token, if I can criticise a supporters of a political philosophy that has a history of extremism and violence who are not extreme or violent, why can't I criticise followers of a religion for the same thing?

@Kendodd Im not sure you meant to reply to my post?

Ok, I give up.
I don't believe at any point HE has said he abused these children because he is Christian or in the name of Christians everywhere or as a fight against non Christians though.

The difference is that Muslim leaders in the UK have never supported Hamas.

The chief Rabbi and Jewish board of deputies have always supported Israel including when it has been commiting blatant crimes against civilians, including just a few weeks ago the chief rabbi and Jewish board of deputies requesting a meeting with Starmer because Starmer supported the ICJ ruling of war crimes against Nethanyahu.

You can't have it both ways. If you don't want to associate and be responsible for Israel's actions, stop openly supporting it. If you openly support Israeli government as a leading Jewish organisation in the UK with huge influence, and then remain silent when they commit war crimes, you are culpable.

No imam or Muslim leader in the UK has supported Hamas (they would be arrested anyways even if they did). They have nothing to criticise or apologise for.

@idontwannabeanythingotherthanwhativebeentrynabe

I think it's about respecting rules and laws as well. I. France if it is illegal to wear certain dress in certain circumstances don't you just simply obey the the law?

We had the crazy situation I. France of female women athletes refusing to compete simply because they were asked to not wear a head covering destroying their Olympic dreams.

Other religions seem to have a lot more allowance for flexibility of dress which aligns to the majority. Religious paraphilia is restricted often to significant cultural and religious events.

@Kendodd its not worth engaging in obfuscation.

I'm genuinely curious, who exactly are these people you are referring to who are not making it home and not contributing to society? Every single Muslim I know is contributing positively to society.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

https://www.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/news/2023/statement-response-comments-made-imam-muhammad-abdullah-shakir

Just to clarify. Muslims should call out when atrocities are committed using their religion as a cover and distance themselves to show they are not all the same. In this country they are free to do that.