Angry men problem is bigger than racism…

[anxioussister]

I was speaking to a close friend this morning who is part of the leadership at a local mosque. He was expressing despair about what the world could do with all these angry young (and not so young) men

It reminded me of the Scott Galloway quote ‘there is no one on earth so dangerous as a young man who is poor and alone’ - and by alone meaning not attached to a meaningful career, purpose or community. I think he’s right.

Obviously racist attacks are abhorrent - but what on earth is society supposed to do about all these people?

they are so angry, seem largely extremely poorly educated + unable to emotionally regulate themselves. How can they be plugged in to society so they can contribute something + feel part of something rather than just raging about what they aren’t given?

YABU - this is mainly a race issue

Foxblue · Today 16:33
Somebody will be along just now to tell you that young men are justified in their anger because men as a whole have been demonised by modern society, blamed for everything etc, and the dissolution of the nuclear family has meant they have lost male role models blah blah blah.
Totally ignoring the fact that:
any decent young man could do 30 minutes of research and learn basic things about feminism and the patriarchy and understand that the message is not 'men are evil'
the 'role models' that are lost by the breakdown of the nuclear family model are the men who abused their families, cheated on their wives, saw children as a woman's job, saw housework as women's work, had addiction problems that impacted their families... all those 'role models' who 50 years ago, mothers would have had to put up with (and thereby unfortunately setting a damaging example of relationships to their children who would then go on to repeat the mistakes they viewed in their parents and normalised as a child) a huge percentage of these men can now be kicked out as societal shame and female financial independence are not as big of barriers as they once were. But women are meant to feel ashamed that their son doesn't have a male role model in the house, when the option available was their ex partner, Dave who never changed a nappy for any of his kids, never attended a single family day out, bullied his male sons under the guise of banter...

Absolutely this.

I wonder this, why aren't they taking it up with the government instead of people with zero power to change the things they're angry about?

Tax the super rich.

I think this is key actually. My DH had an appalling childhood, in and out of care. A complete lack of schooling, undiagnosed dyslexia. He was classed as "naughty and disruptive" at school. He left school with no qualifications. Went straight into a (as it was back then) a YTS. His ex got pregnant with DSD when he was 17. But it was the making of him. It kept him focused, he gained a qualification and went onto a job. Being a father and family man is what kept him grounded.

Seriously? Men are being aggressive violent shites because of feminism? WTAF? So women should put ourselves back in the kitchen give up careers and our lives to be cleaners, sex slaves and broodmares?

Plenty of men on Only Fans. There's a big gay audience out there. If that's what they wanted to do.

YANBU. Only need to look at domestic abuse stats for the UK, never mind what goes unreported.

That is such a good point. Everyone needs a sense of value and purpose in their lives.

I do blame their fathers. They are their role models.
If your father teaches you that the only emotion you may display is anger and aggression then that is what you will become. Some, but not all, manage to see this is unhealthy. However they have to have the intelligence and where with all to see this and try and overcome it.
Examples of how fathers are to blame:
Stop crying, only girls cry.
Hit him back ( during a sports GAME)
You are not wearing pink, pink is for queers.
Stop acting like a girl.
No son of mine is going to attend dance classes.
Stop crying, boys don’t cry.
Leave that for your mother to do, no son of mine is going to do the (insert domestic task)
Let your wife/girlfriend/sister/mother sort that out ( insert task deemed beneath a male to do).

All these things cause stress and anxiety in males. Leading to aggression and violence being the only emotions deemed acceptable to display.

There's always been displays of male aggression dressed up as something else but now society doesn't condone them. Some men used to go to football more for a fight than to watch, frequent fights in the pub, if you look at TV coverage of strikes the hate on the faces of the strikers is often plain to see. They'd go home and their wives/families would brush it under the carpet because they depended on men to pay the bills.
Now women have an education, they don't get passed over for promotion because they're female, they can divorce without public disgrace, they can claim benefits and raise their children alone. The angry men who go off to a riot hate the change in society, they don't want equality, not for women, not for immigrants, they liked it when punching someones head in made them feel like a man

Most of the men I know are as mystified by why someone would stab little girls or set fire to a car as I am. There is a specific subset of mainly men who resort to/like violence and I do think this needs to be tackled at a national level as a form of terrorism. Whether it's men beating up their girlfriends or rioting in the streets we need some urgent answers/specific strategies which aren't just giving them long prison sentences.

YANBU. Why should these people accept the rules of government when they are not benefiting from them. The cost of living, unaffordable housing, inability to see a doctor. The government and police can only govern by consent of the people. The government need to be very careful here - if enough people decide they don’t accept these made up societal rules- they will lose the ability to enforce them.

Male violence is endemic. Two women a week die at the hands of a male partner or ex partner. One in three women will suffer domestic abuse and we've got no idea about rape because it's rarely reported. It's not a specific subset of men, VAWAG affects every level of society.

@BlackShuck3 Exactly!

Hmmm so the cost of living crisis only affects men Custardcream strange that.
Those rioting are low life. They do not give a flying shit about violence taken out on children.
There was one man interviewed and when asked why he was rioting/protesting, he claimed it was because he was angry that immigrants got all the benefits whilst pensioners were losing their winter fuel allowance.
So as he cares so much for the elderly, why is he not spending his time helping out in care homes? Reading to the elderly or keeping them company. Or checking up on his elderly neighbours. No, his answer was to go and attack the police, set fire to innocent people’s property, smash up shops and steal. Thus adding to the burden the tax payers will have to pay. In turn resulting in less money being available for things such as benefits which pay for the winter fuel allowance!
Hell above, it doesn’t take a genius to work it out.

Hell above, it doesn’t take a genius to work it out
@Holidayhell22 , Indeed and they are all as dumb as rocks. Empty vessels being wielded by the 'genius' manipulations of the likes of farage and musk. Pawns in the games of the wealthy, the monied who smirk on the sidelines, keeping thier own hands clean & using the village idiots like battering rams.

Said (well actually, dictated) Putin to the young men and families of Russia. Is that where we're going with your reasoning?

They have been let down for sure, but there is no doubt testosterone is a powerful drug and particularly young men easily become pack animals.

They need jobs, training, futures, some money in their pocket, a social structure and clear norms of behaviour, none of which some of them get, which is why they are angry..

Just my random musings, but I think as the old roles for men are being turned on their head it's not clear what role they're supposed to play now as their biology doesn't gear them for being natural nurturers and collaborators whereas a lot of the jobs available nowadays need that, and most women seem able, whether they want to or not, to be nurturer, provider and protector.

Let down! Every generation can say they've been let down. Not every generation petrol bombs migrant hotels and pelts bricks at the police.

Football hooliganism served a purpose in the 70s and 80s to let them beat up each other.

Those factors are significant but it's a superficial assessment and pretty flaccid without analysis of what creates those factors.

Their behaviour is vile, but they didn’t invent mob violence. Big groups of young men with few resources, time and a grudge have been dangerous for centuries.

It’s not going to just go away, sadly.

Aren't most young men sexless and single? They're going to take out those frustrations somewhere.

Fuck me. So males rioting is caused by women not caring to stay home and be barefoot and pregnant?